No... it was the post that I quoted that was misleading.
Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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No... it was the post that I quoted that was misleading.
Read again, answers 2,3 and 4 all use aiming systems at some point.
Except John was right and you are wrong once again. Answers 2,3 and 4 all use aiming systems at some point.
Bumped for a reread.
Ahhh,
A qualifying statement so as to not be misleading.:thumbup:
But as I said, some of those can be for banks & kicks & not for normal cut shots at all.
So... no real conclusion regarding normal cuts can be made up to that percentage.
I always go by feel 148 53.82%
Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots 65 23.64%
Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots 24 8.73%
I always use aiming systems 23 8.36%
I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink 15 5.45%
Voters: 275.
54% plus 24% = 78% always or usually use Feel. 78%... that leaves 22%... minus the 6% that hits & hopes =
18% that always or usually use a system.
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And yet it's over 40% that know and use systems, no matter how much spin you put in it.
Ivica should be able to give you some good direction. :yeah:
JoeyA
JoeyA
I know what you're talking about, but I tried to be as robot like as much as I can, without any adjustment, and results are always the same, doesn't matter if its cut to the right or left...overcut
If you see my neighbour Ivica Putnik on US Open, say hi
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Originally Posted by Poolplaya9 View Post
You don't understand how CTE works, don't care how it works, and don't feel how it works is important. You have said that a number of times, John Barton who has said that dozens of times, and many of the other CTE arguers have said it as well. The problem is that on the one hand you all say you don't understand how CTE works, and then on the other hand you turn right around and argue in the most closed minded and adamant manner possible about every last detail of how it works and doesn't work. You all obviously do care a lot about the mechanism by which it works for you otherwise you wouldn't be so militant in your need to argue how it works even when you admit not knowing. Surely you see how it makes no sense to say you don't understand it on the one hand, and then argue every last detail about it with someone on the other. Surely you see how it makes no sense to say you don't care how it works, and then be absolutely and completely unwilling to even consider the possibility that you might be subconsciously adjusting for an inaccurate system regardless of the evidence.
When it is convenient for the CTE arguers, you admit you don't understand how CTE works. When someone asks questions you don't have answers to, or wants more detail where descriptions of the steps are vague, or wants proof of anything like that it objectively finds the correct aim/shot line or of anything else, the response from your side is all too often "CTE can't be proven to work as claimed and I don't understand how it works and it isn't important how it works and I don't care, all I know is it works for me and that is all that is important". But when someone is showing mathematical proof on paper or through explanation that it does not find the correct shot line, and that CTE users are actually adjusting by feel to make their shots just like with any other system, you and the rest suddenly become experts who fully understand every last detail of the system and will argue vehemently against any possibility of subconscious adjustment.
So which is it? Do you fully understand it or not? Do you care how it works or not? Here is the answer and give this some serious internal soul searching before replying back with the knee jerk argument that every pore of your being will reflexively want to make. You all don't understand how it works, otherwise you would never say you didn't understand if you did. Plus you would be able to answer those tough questions if you did. Of course you don't understand how or why it works and have said so many,many times. You also do care how it works--a lot. A whole lot. Like a WHOLE LOT. But why is that? Because you will feel stupid if you actually have to accept to yourself that you were just subconsciously adjusting for everything the whole time. So your ego makes you have a closed mind about that and makes you need to have to argue against that vehemently, in the hopes that nobody believes you were subconsciously adjusting and will think to themselves "look how dumb those guys were", and so you don't have to accept it yourself and feel like "man how dumb was I to have just been using feel all along and adjusting and never even realizing it". But it shouldn't be something to be embarrassed about or ashamed about or to feel stupid about. We all do things subconsciously that we don't realize, and often, and it's just part of being human. But ego just won't let you guys look at the evidence and the facts without that bias.
The truth of the matter is that you and the rest of the CTE arguers/users don't understand the system, and it isn't important to you how it works as long as it isn't subconscious adjustments you are making that corrected for the system's inaccuracies. Ego is why you can never accept subconscious adjustment and is why you are so compelled to argue that which you admit to not understanding. It is misplaced ego though. Again, not consciously realizing something you are doing subconsciously doesn't make you an idiot, it makes you human, and there is no shame in being human. On the other hand, ignoring facts and evidence because of your ego displays a lack of ability to utilize critical thinking skills, and that level of willful bias is something that actually is shameful though IMO because that is something we have a lot more if not total control over.
This is simply a case of reflexively fighting against something simply because it isn't the way you would want it to be (because you are afraid it will make you look and feel silly) instead of just searching for the truth without bias and with an open mind whether you will hate the answer you arrive at or not. Seriously, do some real soul searching on this and ask yourself honestly why it is so important to you that it doesn't turn out to be subconscious adjustment. If it was really true when you guys all say "who cares how it works as long as it works" then it wouldn't matter to you if the reason was subconscious adjustment, but yet it does matter to you all a lot (it shouldn't, and so the question to ask yourself is why does it, and in that answer lies the cause of your biases).
MY RESPONSE:
The funny thing is this argument could work both ways and in my opinion the naysayers have a lot more to lose. Things about CTE have been proven yet they reject and don't accept what we know to be true. So ask yourself, why is that. I mean you don't use and haven't learned PRO-ONE, so why so adamantly argue that it can't be true. Some have spent 20 years arguing against it yet it's use and understanding continue to grow in significant numbers. I think they have much more to lose. I mean arguing on the wrong side for 20 years is a bitter pill to swallow. Think about that.
PS for English. This guy states there has been mathematical proof on paper to disprove CTE, where is that paper exactly
[QUOTE%=cookie man;5338905]And yet it's over 40% that know and use systems, no matter how much spin you put in it.[/QUOTE]
Yes I can agree that it appears 40% use some aiming method at some time, but that could mean bank & kicks & not normal cut shots.
8.36% all of the time
23.64% only for difficult shots
8.73% only for easy shots
That's 40.73 % that use a system at some time or another.
Of those 79.5% of them use Feel most of the time.
So... that's basically 80% of the 40% that use a system use Feel most of the time.
Best Wishes.
Yes I can agree that it appears 40% use some aiming method at some time, but that could mean bank & kicks & not normal cut shots.
8.36% all of the time
23.64% only for difficult shots
8.73% only for easy shots
That's 40.73 % that use a system at some time or another.
Of those 79.5% of them use Feel most of the time.
So... that's basically 80% of the 40% that use a system use Feel most of the time.
Best Wishes.
I'll pull up the 'formula' for you in a minute.
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Joey,
I think Stan already gave him his advice but then came back & retracted the post, but it's still there in a quote.
Best Wishes.
Yes I can agree that it appears 40% use some aiming method at some time, but that could mean bank & kicks & not normal cut shots.
8.36% all of the time
23.64% only for difficult shots
8.73% only for easy shots
That's 40.73 % that use a system at some time or another.
Of those 79.5% of them use Feel most of the time.
So... that's basically 80% of the 40% that use a system use Feel most of the time.
Best Wishes.[/QUOTE]
My response:
It could also not mean banks and kicks. Do you always assume you know what everyone else is doing?
That's just a guess from someone that knows nothing about CTE. Funny if you think that's the math that disproves it.
I deleted a couple of posts for one reason. The stronger the info I post, the more it is ignored.
It is all about a lesson from Hal about moving along.
Stan Shuffett
**You just about got fitted with a muzzle. You squirmed a bit and got away.
Ahhh,
That's interesting.
The piece to the puzzle that completes the 'picture'.
Thanks for making the picture more clear.
Best Wishes & Good Luck with the Book.
PS Will it be out in early or late in 2016?
Your "proof" is no proof at all. He stated that no two people could do it differently if they follow the steps.
That statement is a non-starter to start with. Just look at any schools math tests. They all think they followed the steps correctly, yet the answers are all over the place. Some right, some wrong.
So, if his proof was actual proof, then we must also deduce that math is not correct because some people got different answers.
Same thing can be said for what people see. You can have 20 people witness a crime, and yet not all 20 can even agree on what color shirt the perpetrator was wearing.
Just because not everyone will reach the same conclusion when they think they are following the steps does not equate to the system being flawed in any way.
Everyone can make their own determinations regarding who makes more sense between you & Poolplaya9.
Best Wishes.