Does a specialized break cue really make a difference?

BPG24 said:
Shawn, I hate to tell you this bro..
But you are wrong.....
Call Rick Howard and ask him why he makes a break cue....
It was designed for players.... by players.....
The phenolic tip is not the only difference....
Do some research....
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SOME BREAK CUES CAN IMPROVE YOUR BREAK
....yeah, it's funny that you bring up Rick Howard. I spoke with Rick a few years back about the Mace. He is as proud, if not prouder, of the fact that the Mace is as good a PLAYING cue as a BREAK cue. His philosophy was that a great cue breaks great. He makes the Mace with the EXACT same taper as his playing cues - just a little thicker diameter. He has a few pros that play with the Mace - not just break but play. AND, the Mace has a water buffalo tip. Sorry to burst your bubble. Look it up - www.macecues.com. Tell me again why I'm wrong?
 
The Mace cue does not play well at all....
Maybe you haven't tried one
It is an excellent breaker though

I stated phenolic tips, speaking in general...
It isnt the only technology advancement
 
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Forgot to add - the Mace was the first J/B cue. He made it to fill a need for players. What the Mace is is a great cue - like a Schon, or a Southwest. It's not a brick with no taper, or a phenolic tipped gimmick. Most break cues now are nothing more than a butt with a thick tapered shaft, and a phenolic tip. That just oozes technology.

Rick was an innovator, but don't think that his cue was designed purely for breaking. It wasn't. Like I said, he's proud of the fact it plays well, too. Let's see the other J/B makers make that claim.
 
BPG24 said:
The Mace cue does not play well at all....
Maybe you haven't tried one
It is an excellent breaker though

I stated phenolic tips, speaking in general...
It isnt the only technology advancement
Call Rick or email him. Coltrain used to play with a Mace. Yes, PLAY with a Mace.
 
I agree that not all break cues will improve your break, but some of them definately will...
If you have a good break to begin with..... After you practice with it, you will see better results


I have talked to Rick several times......
Neither Mace that i had, played anything like the Rick Howard Playing cues that I have had...
And trhe Mace definately does not play well
 
BPG24 said:
I agree that not all break cues will improve your break, but some of them definately will...
If you have a good break to begin with..... After you practice with it, you will see better results


I have talked to Rick several times......
Neither Mace that i had, played anything like the Rick Howard Playing cues that I have had...
And trhe Mace definately does not play well
Then make sure to get Shane one of those cues. I'd hate to see how many more tourneys he'd win if he used one of those cues. I think Corey was using one of those break cues during the Action Challenge. You're right, they're definitely an advantage.

Varner never used a break cue. Neither did Jimmy Reid. Two of the greatest to ever pick up a cue.
 
2%

Shawn Armstrong said:
Top cuemakers are making jump/break cues for one reason - DEMAND. Players always want to buy the magic bullet - BK2, X-breaker, OB-1, 314, the list goes on and on. I'd hate to fathom how many balls Mosconi, Mizerak or Sigel would have run with all of this high-tech equipment. The point is that YOU CANNOT BUY A BETTER BREAK. You either have the stroke or you don't. If you can make balls with your break cue, but not your playing cue, that to me screams "confidence issue". Maybe you baby your playing cue and don't want to stroke at the balls. Maybe the idea of breaking with your Moori or Kamui tip makes you cringe. I don't know. I will tell you that I have broken with pretty much every "production" break cue on the planet, and NOT ONE of them made any significant difference in how the balls spread. NOT ONE of them made a ball every rack. NOT ONE of them always parked the cueball in the middle of the table. I posted the speed chart from Platinum Billiards for a reason. People think they are clocking the ball something fierce after they put a phenolic tip on their break cue. At a top speed of 25mph, the phenolic (with stiffer taper) tipped cues outperformed leather by a whopping 2% maximum. It's PERCEPTION that makes players buy $300-$500 jump/break cues, not REALITY. At the pro level, they are usually endorsed, so break cues make sense. Jump cues are functional, because they do something a regular cue can't. However, looking at the chart, I'm not getting much speed difference from my Sledgehammer j/b (hypothetical) or my BK2 than my STL-4 Schon player. Therefore, the only difference that could possibly make sense to me is either that 2% makes a huge difference in your break, which I sincerely doubt, or the PSYCHOLOGY of the break cue makes you break better, and same for your girlfriend.

I don't disagree, and yes, my everyday jump/break is more dinged up than any of my players, so even if it is a little bit psychological, the j/b is making a difference, and combined with a 2% advantage, I'll take it, if it means pocketing a ball on the break, with shape on the one ball. Playing competitive bar box 9-ball often comes down to the break, so I need all the help I can get. Some of the best players I know break with their playing cue, or their old plain jane Meucci, with consistent break & runs, but they have a lot more experience, and the one thing I can take from this thread, is the need to practice breaking instead of just setting up shots all the time.
 
Name me one cue that will break better, with practice, than the cue I shoot every shot I play with. I think, seeing as I use my playing cue for all my shots, I may know it just a little bit better than a log that sits in my bag and gets used perhaps 10-20 times per night.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Then make sure to get Shane one of those cues. I'd hate to see how many more tourneys he'd win if he used one of those cues. I think Corey was using one of those break cues during the Action Challenge. You're right, they're definitely an advantage.

Varner never used a break cue. Neither did Jimmy Reid. Two of the greatest to ever pick up a cue.

what Shane and Corey do isn't the end all be all... Corey really goes after the rack huh? lol
And you are to close minded to see the truth,
SOME BREAK CUES WILL IMPROVE YOUR BREAK, NOT ALL OF THEM
 
BPG24 said:
what Shane and Corey do isn't the end all be all... Corey really goes after the rack huh? lol
And you are to close minded to see the truth,
SOME BREAK CUES WILL IMPROVE YOUR BREAK, NOT ALL OF THEM
No CUE will improve my break. Only I will improve my break. You mention practicing with the break cue will make you better - DUH. What a thought - practicing your break makes you better? Hmmm.....need to think about that one. Put the same practice into breaking with your playing cue, and you might see an improvement. And, you'll have a spare $300 in your pocket. I LOVE beating on guys that have BK2s in their bag.

Shane really pusses the break with his playing cue, doesn't he?
 
LMAO....
OK man, you are right, The world's best break cue couldnt help your break...
 
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BPG24 said:
LMAO....
OK man, you are right, The world's best break cue couldnt help your break...
Scientific Data from Platinum Billiards:

Predator BK2 25.93 3.7% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Mezz Power Break 2 25.64 2.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Fury JB 25.47 1.8% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Scorpion Jump Break (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Break Cue
Cuetec 99296 (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Stinger (J/B) 25.40 1.5% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Meucci HP-03 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Viking VM 38 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Mezz Power Break 25.38 1.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Cuetec 99277 25.36 1.4% fast LEATHER Playing Cue

In the top 10 in speed, 6 are "scientifically designed" break cues. 4 of them are playing cues. Aside from the BK2, the other cues topped the playing cues by a whopping .2 MPH.

Yep, you're right. Those cues DEFINITELY will improve my breaking.

Quit talking with your ass and use your brain.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Scientific Data from Platinum Billiards:

Predator BK2 25.93 3.7% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Mezz Power Break 2 25.64 2.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Fury JB 25.47 1.8% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Scorpion Jump Break (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Break Cue
Cuetec 99296 (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Stinger (J/B) 25.40 1.5% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Meucci HP-03 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Viking VM 38 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Mezz Power Break 25.38 1.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Cuetec 99277 25.36 1.4% fast LEATHER Playing Cue

In the top 10 in speed, 6 are "scientifically designed" break cues. 4 of them are playing cues. Aside from the BK2, the other cues topped the playing cues by a whopping .2 MPH.

Yep, you're right. Those cues DEFINITELY will improve my breaking.

Quit talking with your ass and use your brain.
So your opinion is based on the speed of the break?
 
BPG24 said:
LMAO....
OK man, you are right, The world's best break cue couldnt help your break...
I have to apologize. It looks like I'm using a GOOD cue instead of a CRAPPY cue. I play with a Schon, which speed rates right around all these "break cues". Maybe if I used an inferior playing cue, I'd notice these differences. LMAO
 
BVal said:
So your opinion is based on the speed of the break?
Not at all. I think my playing cue will be more accurate since I shoot with it all the time. That's my point. Why trust a cue that you use 5% of the time or less to set the rack up for you?
 
Break cues aren't designed for accuracy, with the exception of the BK. Bustamante still uses a 314 shaft on his break cue, not the BK shaft.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Scientific Data from Platinum Billiards:

Predator BK2 25.93 3.7% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Mezz Power Break 2 25.64 2.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Fury JB 25.47 1.8% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Scorpion Jump Break (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Break Cue
Cuetec 99296 (J/B) 25.47 1.8% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Stinger (J/B) 25.40 1.5% fast PHENOLIC Break Cue
Meucci HP-03 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Viking VM 38 25.38 1.5% fast LEATHER Playing Cue
Mezz Power Break 25.38 1.5% fast PRESSED INGOT Break Cue
Cuetec 99277 25.36 1.4% fast LEATHER Playing Cue

In the top 10 in speed, 6 are "scientifically designed" break cues. 4 of them are playing cues. Aside from the BK2, the other cues topped the playing cues by a whopping .2 MPH.

Yep, you're right. Those cues DEFINITELY will improve my breaking.

Quit talking with your ass and use your brain.
hahaha this argument is funny. When you break things down to a science things stop becoming fun anymore because of the constant desire for efficiency. Why care about your break when there are people out there running tables full of fruit. Bringing up numbers takes away from things like Efren's Z shot for instance... it would mean instead of "Wow that was an amazing shot!" it would be "He had approximately 0.233% (repeating of course) chance to make that shot" It's just lame.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Not at all. I think my playing cue will be more accurate since I shoot with it all the time. That's my point. Why trust a cue that you use 5% of the time or less to set the rack up for you?
I have not read the whole thread but what if you are at a tournament and you break with your playing cue and the tip pops off or any number of other things that can go wrong that would render it useless for that match - what would you do? I personally like to have a break cue - that is just my opinion though. There is always going to be people that think one is better than the other no matter what is out there. Is it not enough to just express your opinion and recognize the others opinions and move on or is it necessary to insult the other side so you feel more right in your OPINION.

BVal
 
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