Does Efren Owe America Or The World?

I'm sure

that if you asked Efren, he would reply with something like one of my favorite sayings, 'I'm peddling as fast as I can!'.
 
ShootingArts said:
Joey,

He owes nothing to anyone or the sport that he hasn't already more than repaid. I, like you, hope he will give even more. One problem with gaining much of his knowledge is that it isn't so much the knowledge of how to do certain shots, it is the seemingly intuitive knowledge of how to solve problems.

There is no amount of instruction that lets someone jump from having to consciously think of how to solve a problem to seeing a problem and solving it on a subconscious level without giving it a thought. Enough repetitions of working through to the right decision and one day it becomes a totally subconscious process. Once someone reaches that level at anything they are truly as some have said "in another galaxy" than those that can't operate on that level.

Hu
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If there's one person in this planet who Efren would like to impart his secrets, it would be to his son Frannie. And I'm sure he has already passed on to his son most, if not all of the tricks he knows because at one point, Frannie was joining tournaments but could not get to the semis or maybe even quarterfinals. Right now I don't hear him taking part in major tourneys maybe he has given up on pool or maybe he is home honing up his skills before he comes out again. So I would have to go with shootingarts with this.
 
America outsources everything else overseas. They might as well start outsourcing pool because American pool is just about dead.

Efren can enjoy pool at its finest in his home country. He came here to the States when pool sucked financially in the Philippines. However, today there has been a shift. Soon most professional players will begin to emigrate to the Philippines.

Will there be an American invasion in the Philippines, like there was when the Filipinos, headed by Jose Parica, invaded the States? Nope. Why, you may ask? Because the current lot of American professional players is dwindling.

Efren is a great Filipino champion. Why, he was even inducted into the American BCA's Hall of Fame for his contributions to the sport. Now it's time for the shift to take place when everything pool-related will occur overseas. Bye-bye, American pool pie.

JAM
 
Just to give credit where credit is due... I posted the thread about how much Efren has won since 2000. :p

Back to the main point. There are countless videos of Efren teaching us in every match he plays. I've watched the color of money match countless times and I always learned something. When Efren was down 87 to 104 to Earl going to 120 he showed me how to never give up and what heart is all about. He also shows us how to be a true gentlemen of the game. There are people like Earl who claim to be a gentlemen of the game but he has proven time and time again that he is not. Just imagine Efren pointing someone out of the audience and yelling or cursing them... He never blames anyone if he misses a shot. Once I think I caught him give a slight glare to a camera man who was in the line of a really tough shot while moving. But that's it :)
 
I've been searching but can't find the article. I know I read somewhere Efren said he would give away/video all his secrets when his tourney days are over. I can understand this theory because his living is still from playing. I'll keep searching.

Gerry
 
The man travels so much and has a family to take care of back home; I don't think he even has *time* to owe anyone anything.

That aside, he's given so much to his home country. One man can only do so much, and he's been a tremendous force in the world of pool. I think he's given so much already to America, by revitalizing the game and introducing new tactics to 9-ball regarding kicking, safes, etc. And then there's what he's introduced to one-pocket concept.

People do what they do best, and I dont' think Efren's strongsuit is in his teaching skills. Leave it to the Mark Wilsons, the Phil Capelles and the Scott Lees of the world for that. They've done plenty a fine job of analyzing pros and making the information accessible to the general public -- in fact, I'd wager they can do it better than Efren can. He's a many of few words, and hasn't always been the most articulate at explaining his concepts. To him they're natural, so putting it in the language of mere mortals would only disservice and confuse many.
 
Effren deserves a much needed vacation.

He was been working so hard traveling from tournament to tournament and city to city that he should just find a job close to home and take it easy.

So close that he can walk to it, in the event it is tsunami season he would get mildly wet if he had to walk. Thats how close to home.
 
i dont think efren owes anyone anything. he doesnt owe anything to his home country either. he made a name for himself by himself and decided to help people in his country. if he owes the america for all the tounaments he's won then he might as well other countries as well since he's won in other countries too. but he's a pool player not a philanthropist, even if he were a philanthropist, he still wouldn't owe anyone anything.
 
lol

This wasn't intentionally humorous was it?

Danktrees said:
but he's a pool player not a philanthropist, even if he were a philanthropist, he still wouldn't owe anyone anything.
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JoeyA said:
Cuetechasaurus stimulated this thought with one of his threads about how much money Efren has won since 2000.

Efren is truly a philanthropist in his own country and while I, like many others appreciate his generosity in his own country and tout his skills as a pool player, I would like to see him give back something to America. ..............
JoeyA
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the simple answer is NO.
 
I think Efren should be banned from American tournaments it's just not fair! If not he should have to pay double Entry and pay 99% tax on his winnings. He should also have to do 1 weeks community service passing on all his hard earned knowledge to Americans young players.

It's just not right! :rolleyes:
 
Fatboy said:
We owe him. For all the hours of watching the greatest player play. I would like to see a video of his ideas and his commentary on shot selection, but those are his trade secrets, just like coke they dont make the formula public.So perhaps thats why no video.

The $$$ he has given to the PI is good they need it more than we do, he earns his money by winning, not stealing, although it looks like stealing because its so easy for him(sometimes)

nobody owes anything to anyone except their parents-assuming they had good parents.
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TAP TAP TAP...:D
 
We owe Mr. Reyes. He showed us how to play pool. How to think. How to solve difficult problems. He showed us just everything. Mr. Reyes is not a mechanical player, he cannot just measure the table and showed us how, he is an artist, he got his own style, like the Renaissance, no one can copy, nor duplicate. Pool anywhere became big because of him. We owe him a big farewell party when he retires. I can't even think of anyone else who comes close to Mr. Reyes when he is gone.
 
Artist is too low level for Reyes, he is a living lengend and cue master.

An artist implies that he is still trying to prove himself.
 
If we want to talk about athletes who have become wealthy off of their sports without contributing much back, then there are plenty of sports that could give pool the orange crush in that contest. IMO, pool doesn't even deserve an honorable mention when compared to football, basketball, and baseball. Not only do those sports have lots of high-paid athletes who don't contribute anything other than just participating, there are a few "athletes" who are nothing more than high-paid thugs; the kind of people you don't even want your kids to know exist, much less choose for a role model.

To say that Efren "owes" something seems to suggest that he's been overcompensated for his contribution, but a previous thread said that Efren has only earned about $1.6m since 2000 ($250k/year average?). Assuming that number is correct, that's just pizza money to most top professional athletes, not to mention sports titans like Tiger Woods, who will probably break the $100m/year mark soon. Hell, Phil Mickelson makes over 100 times as much a year as Efren does, and Phil can't even manage to win a tournament that he's already got in his back pocket! I know that Phil and Tiger and many other pro golfers do lots of philanthropic things, which is one reason I love golf, but they can afford it much easier than Efren could.

Sorry for the rant, but I just feel that, considering what pro pool players are being paid, we spectators should feel priveleged just to get to see them compete. We're lucky that so many great players are still participating even though the money isn't great. Hopefully the situation will improve soon and they will be rewarded for their dedication to the sport we all love.

Aaron
 
I think Mr. Reyes has already paid the debt to the game. He proved, once and for all, that you don't need to be a spoiled/pampered/cue-breaking/sharking/arrogant asshole to be the greatest of all-time. The man is a true inspiration and can be easily held up as a role model to the kids for generations to come.
 
I_Need_D_8 said:
I think Mr. Reyes has already paid the debt to the game. He proved, once and for all, that you don't need to be a spoiled/pampered/cue-breaking/sharking/arrogant asshole to be the greatest of all-time. The man is a true inspiration and can be easily held up as a role model to the kids for generations to come.
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