Does this "Cut shot" statement sound correct?

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Hello fine and wise people!

....if you should use a little running English on the cue ball and a firmer stroke with a 45 degree cut shot in a humid pool room. (Some say you should, especially if the balls are not extremely clean as they can get “Sticky”).

I know there is a lot to be said on cut shots but looking for a "Mostly" straight up answer on the above statement as true/false.

Thank you in advance for any feedback
 
I don't think there's a "should" about it. If the shot is out in the open, you should learn to use the three or four main options at your disposal.

Off the top of my head:
1) outside english to negate extra throw
2) center ball incorporating the throw
3) inside english - also incorporating the throw
4) using speed as the "throw control" with any combination of english/angle.

The only exception might be if the ball is on or very close to a cushion where throwing into the rail results in a bank. It is often best to just cinch the shot as you are best able.
 
Ideally you know how to pot everything without side, then go from there. 20 years later, you’ll have forgotten how to pot anything without side.

Life goals.
 
....if you should use a little running English on the cue ball and a firmer stroke with a 45 degree cut shot in a humid pool room. (Some say you should, especially if the balls are not extremely clean as they can get “Sticky”).
As others have said, your positional needs (weighed against the increased/decreased shot difficultly each of the positional options creates) will dictate the english and speed with which you need to hit this or any other shot.

If it is one of those rarer cases where both positional options are equally as good, then I would say to choose the one that you are personally most proficient with and have the highest success rate with. It's hard to argue with playing the percentages, for you.

If the question is which one should you try to get more proficient with because it is most ideal, as in which one should you use when you are equally proficient with both, then there is still a bit of debate on the matter. With no side spin on the cue ball you don't have any cue ball squirt/deflection you have to deal with, but then you have cut induced throw you have to deal with. If you use the proper amount of gearing english you don't have any cut induced throw you have to deal with, but then you have cue ball squirt/deflection you have to deal with. From what I've seen the vast majority of top players will tend to hit that shot with outside english that is intended to be gearing or close to it, and the softer the shot has to be hit and/or the further from the pocket the object ball is, the more they tend to lean that way. I also tend to use outside english on this shot the vast majority of the time if positional needs equally allow for it.

It depends on so many things (a couple of the many are mentioned in the next paragraph), but in general on that shot I would rank the choices in this order of ideal:
1. Outside english at a slower to moderate pace.
2. Rolling cue ball with no side spin and a faster pace.
3 and 4 is close to a tie between rolling cue ball at a slow pace, or outside english at a fast pace, and with even smaller differences yet making the difference on best choice here between these two choices.
5. Inside english wasn't one of the options you presented, but it would be least ideal if positional needs don't require it.

Whether the object ball is coming more from center table or more from closer to down the rail makes a difference, the object ball distance from the pocket makes a difference, the cue ball distance from the object ball makes a difference, just how dirty the balls are makes a difference, and a whole bunch of other nuances make a difference and will often be what tilts things more one way or another on which choice is best in any particular instance, but those are some general "more often than not" guidelines in my opinion.
 
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Hello fine and wise people!

....if you should use a little running English on the cue ball and a firmer stroke with a 45 degree cut shot in a humid pool room. (Some say you should, especially if the balls are not extremely clean as they can get “Sticky”).

I know there is a lot to be said on cut shots but looking for a "Mostly" straight up answer on the above statement as true/false.

Thank you in advance for any feedback
On a 45 degree cut shot, based on where you need to get position often dictates whether you need to use inside or outside. If it’s on the last ball, then you play whatever spin or no spin you feel gives you the best chance to make it, as long as that decision doesn’t significantly increase your chances of scratching.
 
(Assuming it doesn't matter for shape...)

Using side spin to counteract throw works if you use the right amount of spin and if you adjust correctly for squirt and swerve.

Not using side spin you need to adjust for throw.

Your choice.

pj
chgo
 
(Assuming it doesn't matter for shape...)

Using side spin to counteract throw works if you use the right amount of spin and if you adjust correctly for squirt and swerve.

Not using side spin you need to adjust for throw.

Your choice.

pj
chgo
Side spin greatly reduces the chance of skid and/or hop. In my opinion it also makes for more consistent cut shots as well, since throw is variable depending on the amount of dirt/grime etc. I’m too lazy to keep the balls perfectly clean all the time.
 
....if you should use a little running English on the cue ball and a firmer stroke with a 45 degree cut shot in a humid pool room. ...
I think Mike Sigel recommended using outside (what you call running) english as much as possible, and not just on 45-degree cut shots. That's to eliminate or reduce skids, AKA bad contacts, cling, kicks, .... The thing is, if someone like Sigel gets one skid in 100 shots it's a disaster. In stroke, he will only miss 1 in 100 so that would double his errors. For him, it is worth the trouble of dealing with the many problems of using side spin.

For the player who is just starting to use side spin, trying to use it on every shot and especially on tough cuts like 45-degree shots, is probably going to cause more misses than skids will. For an average player, I think it will work better to play those shots as simply as possible and mostly use side spin for position.

Which path is right for you depends on where your game lands between average and Sigel's.

(BTW, I think that the term "running" is best applied to how the side spin interacts with the cushion and not now it rubs on the object ball.)
 
Side spin greatly reduces the chance of skid and/or hop.
Yes, those are extreme (but infrequent) versions of throw.
In my opinion it also makes for more consistent cut shots as well, since throw is variable depending on the amount of dirt/grime etc.
It's a tradeoff of variables: it adds the variables of squirt, swerve and amount of spin.

pj
chgo
 
(BTW, I think that the term "running" is best applied to how the side spin interacts with the cushion and not now it rubs on the object ball.)
I've always thought that using the same terminology for the CB's rubbing direction in relation to its direction of travel ("running" = accelerate; "braking" = decelerate) would help with understanding the dynamics. What's the drawback?

Edit: I suppose it's potentially confusing when the spin is one thing on the OB and the other thing on the rail...?

pj
chgo
 
I've always thought that using the same terminology for the CB's rubbing direction in relation to its direction of travel ("running" = accelerate; "braking" = decelerate) would help with understanding the dynamics. What's the drawback?...
The problem is that the cue ball can have the two opposite reactions on the same shot. Your "running" on the object ball is then "reverse" on the cushion, or vice versa. I think it is better to have separate terms for ball-ball and ball-cushion reactions. As you know "inside" can reduce the ball-ball friction while "reverse" does not seem to reduce the ball-cushion friction.

I hope you are not proposing to change to the use of "braking" instead of inside/reverse. While that may make perfect sense if there were no term in use already, introducing it to replace the other terms would be a very long process with lots of confusion and discussion.
 
The problem is that the cue ball can have the two opposite reactions on the same shot. Your "running" on the object ball is then "reverse" on the cushion, or vice versa. I think it is better to have separate terms for ball-ball and ball-cushion reactions.
Yes, that's what I thought - see my edit above.
As you know "inside" can reduce the ball-ball friction while "reverse" does not seem to reduce the ball-cushion friction.
Good point.
I hope you are not proposing to change to the use of "braking" instead of inside/reverse. While that may make perfect sense if there were no term in use already, introducing it to replace the other terms would be a very long process with lots of confusion and discussion.
No, I just used the term that's most expressive to me.

pj
chgo
 
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