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Dominant Eye Test and it's Importance ! !
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A quick and simple way to find your dominant eye.
Look at something 20' away or more with both eyes open.
Point to that something.
While pointing, close one eye then the other.
The eye that remains "on point" is your dominant eye.
No pool table needed for this simple test.
Look at something 20' away or more with both eyes open.
Point to that something.
While pointing, close one eye then the other.
The eye that remains "on point" is your dominant eye.
No pool table needed for this simple test.
On the thin cuts it's where they need to be......
Hi there Johnny,
On the thin cuts it where the eyes need to be. This is where the right eye or left eye needs to be. On the thin cuts you need to get them right where you are.
The straight in shots and the thin cuts are the shots that are the easiest to get and keep the eyes in the correct position.
If you could have someone put a ghost ball in front of the ball you are shooting on the straight in shot or the thin cut you would see that your eye that is doing the shooting will be in the same exact location with both shots in reference to the ghost ball.
Have someone get down at the level of the balls and see where the eye is in relation to the ghost ball. It should be the same for each shot.
By moving your head over on the thin cut so you can see it good you are just getting it to that Perfect position. There is only one spot to see it the best.
I'll be getting to St Louis again.
Talk to you latter. Thanks geno.........
Hi there Johnny,
On the thin cuts it where the eyes need to be. This is where the right eye or left eye needs to be. On the thin cuts you need to get them right where you are.
The straight in shots and the thin cuts are the shots that are the easiest to get and keep the eyes in the correct position.
If you could have someone put a ghost ball in front of the ball you are shooting on the straight in shot or the thin cut you would see that your eye that is doing the shooting will be in the same exact location with both shots in reference to the ghost ball.
Have someone get down at the level of the balls and see where the eye is in relation to the ghost ball. It should be the same for each shot.
By moving your head over on the thin cut so you can see it good you are just getting it to that Perfect position. There is only one spot to see it the best.
I'll be getting to St Louis again.
Talk to you latter. Thanks geno.........
That's what I used to think also. WRONG......
In order to teach someone how to correct their aim I had to find their dominant eye. By doing this with about 500 student I soon began to discover things that I couldn't really understand.
One was that about 40% of the players that did the standard pointing and looking through circles test for eye dominance would get down to shoot and they were actually the opposite eye dominant.
I agree that these tests are simple and you were probably thinking I am not the sharpest tool in the shed not knowing these simple tests but I assure you I do.
In fact one of these opposite eye guys is our own Spidey here on AZ and there are hundreds more.
I don't know how to explain it but they absolutely cannot see the shot correctly by having the eye that the pointing test or any other test says is dominant in the dominant position.
It is what it is and you just have to accept it that way.
Maybe for some reason they flunk the test when they point. I really don't know.
My job is to get them seeing the shot correctly, not arguing with their eyes.
Have a great day geno............
A quick and simple way to find your dominant eye.
Look at something 20' away or more with both eyes open.
Point to that something.
While pointing, close one eye then the other.
The eye that remains "on point" is your dominant eye.
No pool table needed for this simple test.
In order to teach someone how to correct their aim I had to find their dominant eye. By doing this with about 500 student I soon began to discover things that I couldn't really understand.
One was that about 40% of the players that did the standard pointing and looking through circles test for eye dominance would get down to shoot and they were actually the opposite eye dominant.
I agree that these tests are simple and you were probably thinking I am not the sharpest tool in the shed not knowing these simple tests but I assure you I do.
In fact one of these opposite eye guys is our own Spidey here on AZ and there are hundreds more.
I don't know how to explain it but they absolutely cannot see the shot correctly by having the eye that the pointing test or any other test says is dominant in the dominant position.
It is what it is and you just have to accept it that way.
Maybe for some reason they flunk the test when they point. I really don't know.
My job is to get them seeing the shot correctly, not arguing with their eyes.
Have a great day geno............
It is hard to understand unless you have the same issue. I will also have to say that it is one added source of distraction. I think it may be a processing issue. Most people can tune out other people during a conversation in order to listen to one person. I don't have that ability. If you were talking to me in a crowded room, you would think I was deaf.
Need to understand the whole Banana
Hi there,
I have players that just know bits and pieces of what I teach and it's very confusing. I can see where some players have trouble with a video and the dominant eye because if they are thinking the wrong eye is dominant they will be doing everything backwards.
It's like telling someone to back up the car when they need to go forward.
In the first 10 minutes of my lessons now the players are in awe. they know that this is the key that they have been looking for to correct their aim.
I didn't invent this, I just figured it out. And I can say this helps every single player on the planet that learns and totally understands this but seeing is believing.
I have 100's of stories calls testimonials. These players are shooting better than they ever have in their lives.
Other than that it is like saying my dad can beat up tour dad
.
Fortuanately to see that this is the way it really is nobody has to get hurt.
I mean dads that is.
In ten minutes I would change your view and for the better. I guarantee it.
Hi there,
I have players that just know bits and pieces of what I teach and it's very confusing. I can see where some players have trouble with a video and the dominant eye because if they are thinking the wrong eye is dominant they will be doing everything backwards.
It's like telling someone to back up the car when they need to go forward.
In the first 10 minutes of my lessons now the players are in awe. they know that this is the key that they have been looking for to correct their aim.
I didn't invent this, I just figured it out. And I can say this helps every single player on the planet that learns and totally understands this but seeing is believing.
I have 100's of stories calls testimonials. These players are shooting better than they ever have in their lives.
Other than that it is like saying my dad can beat up tour dad
. Fortuanately to see that this is the way it really is nobody has to get hurt.
I mean dads that is.
In ten minutes I would change your view and for the better. I guarantee it.
Right handed- Right eye dominant....
Earl i think is one of those players that shoots with only his right eye.
Hard to tell though until I work with someone. Some player seem to shoot with only one eye when it all reality they are just like the rest of us mortals.
They are just very strong eye dominant.
A true one eye shooter could put a patch over the other eye and it wouldn't make a difference.
That's the difference.
what is Earl strickland dominant eye?
Earl i think is one of those players that shoots with only his right eye.
Hard to tell though until I work with someone. Some player seem to shoot with only one eye when it all reality they are just like the rest of us mortals.
They are just very strong eye dominant.
A true one eye shooter could put a patch over the other eye and it wouldn't make a difference.
That's the difference.
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:rotflmao1: I hope you are not serious , Scott teaches CTE it
must be law . With that being the case no reason to question it further.
:rotflmao1: I hope you are not serious , Scott teaches CTE it
must be law . With that being the case no reason to question it further.
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When I find one I will let you know........
Hi there again Scott,
In the 100's of lessons I have given I have always found the dominant eye. Even many players that thought they didn't have one.
Many players were shocked to find out.
If I ever find a player that doesn't you will be the first guy I contact and say you were right.
From what I see so far though if there is such a thing it must be pretty rare.
So far in over 3,000 lessons and videos i have found them all. And the players can see that this is true for themselves after I get done. It's not just me telling them.
Let's see. If there was one in 3,000 that didn't have one that would be pretty rare.
I wonder how many players I'll have to teach before I find someone without a dominant eye.
If they have some eye disorder I could see that but even so i have found the dominant eye so far on many players with eye disorders.
I just see what I see and know what I know from that.
It is what it is.
have a great day geno.........
Hi there again Scott,
In the 100's of lessons I have given I have always found the dominant eye. Even many players that thought they didn't have one.
Many players were shocked to find out.
If I ever find a player that doesn't you will be the first guy I contact and say you were right.
From what I see so far though if there is such a thing it must be pretty rare.
So far in over 3,000 lessons and videos i have found them all. And the players can see that this is true for themselves after I get done. It's not just me telling them.
Let's see. If there was one in 3,000 that didn't have one that would be pretty rare.
I wonder how many players I'll have to teach before I find someone without a dominant eye.
If they have some eye disorder I could see that but even so i have found the dominant eye so far on many players with eye disorders.
I just see what I see and know what I know from that.
It is what it is.
have a great day geno.........
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I too fall into this category. I am right eye dominant if I use the finger-point from 20', but when I'm down over a shot cutting the object ball to the right, if I move my head slightly to the right, I can see the shot better, and vice-versa for cutting a ball to the left. Gene, because of your many threads on this subject I have been playing around with my head position and it has certainly been an eye-opening (pun intended) experience. Now that said, I still can't make three balls in a row :embarrassed2:, but at least it looks right when I'm aiming. I am definitely going to play around with it some more.
Maniac
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No. You could borrow one from a friend......
If you had a gun and just knew how to point it you wouldn't be able to shoot too far. But if someone showed you how to line up the sight you could be petty accurate.
Put on a scope and that wouldn't help much unless someone showed you how to use it.
Knowing the dominant eye does you no good unless you know where the Perfect natural sight is for your eyes. Some players are strong eyed dominant and some weak.
A player needs to learn where that Perfect spot is for them and then have the knowledge to be able to get to that position on every shot.
Once you master this you will never get down on a shot and have it not look right. If it does'nt look right you know how to correct your aim.
It's so simple but yet so hard to understand initially.
I know why nobody has ever addressed what I teach before. I should correct this statement. They have addressed the problem but they never knew how to fix it.
The players that know how this works know exactly what I'm talking about.
The ones that don't still want to argue some times.
If you had a gun and just knew how to point it you wouldn't be able to shoot too far. But if someone showed you how to line up the sight you could be petty accurate.
Put on a scope and that wouldn't help much unless someone showed you how to use it.
Knowing the dominant eye does you no good unless you know where the Perfect natural sight is for your eyes. Some players are strong eyed dominant and some weak.
A player needs to learn where that Perfect spot is for them and then have the knowledge to be able to get to that position on every shot.
Once you master this you will never get down on a shot and have it not look right. If it does'nt look right you know how to correct your aim.
It's so simple but yet so hard to understand initially.
I know why nobody has ever addressed what I teach before. I should correct this statement. They have addressed the problem but they never knew how to fix it.
The players that know how this works know exactly what I'm talking about.
The ones that don't still want to argue some times.
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I tried but failed.
Hi there,
I eventually had to bring it up. When players question how I know this or that it's hard to not mention what I teach.
Like one guy asked me if he had to buy the video to figure this all out and I told him No.
He could just borrow one from a friend.
Thanks again geno.......
Hi there,
I eventually had to bring it up. When players question how I know this or that it's hard to not mention what I teach.
Like one guy asked me if he had to buy the video to figure this all out and I told him No.
He could just borrow one from a friend.
Thanks again geno.......
There is a reason for this...........
Hi there Maniac,
When you were little did you ever cross your eyes. I'll bet you did and so did I. Our mothers would say, don't do that or your eyes will stay like that.
Did you know there is some truth to this.
When you are on a pool shot and you have the wrong eye working as the dominant eye you are actually looking a little crosseyed. If it's a whole lot the shot will look real bad. The reason why is the non dominant eye is working as the dominant eye a little bit.
One night I forced to myself to shoot right eye dominant for about 2 hours. I did ok but I sure would have hated to be gambling.
Then I started playing someone some cheap sets and had all kinds of trouble. I couldn't get the eyes in the right position at all.
The problem was from seeing the shots right eye dominant for so long I was having touble keeping my left eye in the dominant position when i really wanted to shoot serious.
I quit after the second set very frustrated.
But the bottom line is when you are looking at the shot and your opposite eye is in the dominant position it can sabatage your natural ability to see the shots correctly on later shots. The more out of line you are the worse it gets.
This is why some nights we just seem to have a meltdown.
We started out getting the dominant eye in the correct position but as the night went on from being out of position we eventually lose all focus to naturally see the shot right.
I did this with another friend as an experiment. He was still having trouble the next day.
This is also why sometimes when a player finds out a little about what I teach and tris to apply it he can really have problems. If you have the non dominant eye in the dominant position it can really mess up all your vision.
Have a great day geno........
Hi there Maniac,
When you were little did you ever cross your eyes. I'll bet you did and so did I. Our mothers would say, don't do that or your eyes will stay like that.
Did you know there is some truth to this.
When you are on a pool shot and you have the wrong eye working as the dominant eye you are actually looking a little crosseyed. If it's a whole lot the shot will look real bad. The reason why is the non dominant eye is working as the dominant eye a little bit.
One night I forced to myself to shoot right eye dominant for about 2 hours. I did ok but I sure would have hated to be gambling.
Then I started playing someone some cheap sets and had all kinds of trouble. I couldn't get the eyes in the right position at all.
The problem was from seeing the shots right eye dominant for so long I was having touble keeping my left eye in the dominant position when i really wanted to shoot serious.
I quit after the second set very frustrated.
But the bottom line is when you are looking at the shot and your opposite eye is in the dominant position it can sabatage your natural ability to see the shots correctly on later shots. The more out of line you are the worse it gets.
This is why some nights we just seem to have a meltdown.
We started out getting the dominant eye in the correct position but as the night went on from being out of position we eventually lose all focus to naturally see the shot right.
I did this with another friend as an experiment. He was still having trouble the next day.
This is also why sometimes when a player finds out a little about what I teach and tris to apply it he can really have problems. If you have the non dominant eye in the dominant position it can really mess up all your vision.
Have a great day geno........
A little confusing stuff and I apologize if it's been covered...but doesn't the dominant eye not really matter since it comes into play only about an arms length away and you have to use both your eyes to see the line any further out? From personal experience I am able to see 99% of the angles (in my head). I of course don't make anywhere near that many shots but I can at least see it without positioning my head in any specific way at all. I get down on the shot on the same line every time. Maybe I just got lucky I can at least "see" the shot.
I would like to work with you for FREE.
Hi there Needo,
Sorry to hear you have that much trouble with your eyes.
If you wouldn't mind I would appreciate if you would let me work with you a little. I might be able to help. It sounds like you have some kind of eye disorder but maybe we can figure something out.
I'm always willing to learn. Anything I can learn will make it easier to teach the next player with the same problems that you have.
If maybe we can figure out which eye is a little stronger it might help some. Any improvement is huge in this pool game of ours.
Call me anytime. Even right now if your available. Or anytime tonight.
I wish I could come right there but I've had pretty good luck doing this over the phone.
In fact I've give whole lessons over the phone with great success.
Call me at 715=563-8712. Sooner the better. If your at a pool table that's great but not neccesary. We can do this right on the kitchen table.
Hi there Needo,
Sorry to hear you have that much trouble with your eyes.
If you wouldn't mind I would appreciate if you would let me work with you a little. I might be able to help. It sounds like you have some kind of eye disorder but maybe we can figure something out.
I'm always willing to learn. Anything I can learn will make it easier to teach the next player with the same problems that you have.
If maybe we can figure out which eye is a little stronger it might help some. Any improvement is huge in this pool game of ours.
Call me anytime. Even right now if your available. Or anytime tonight.
I wish I could come right there but I've had pretty good luck doing this over the phone.
In fact I've give whole lessons over the phone with great success.
Call me at 715=563-8712. Sooner the better. If your at a pool table that's great but not neccesary. We can do this right on the kitchen table.
Eyes are deceptive...........
Hi there Spimp13,
try this little test. Look at an object on the wall about 20 feet away. Now take your hand and cover your right eye and keep looking at the object. Now put the hand over your left eye.
Switch your hand back and forth from eye to eye.
If you didn't already know which eye is covered it would be kind of hard to figure out which eye you can really see the object with.
It appears you can see with both eyes no matter what.
This is why you can't really tell where the eyes are when you are aiming. They kind of just try to do their own thing and sometimes their own thing makes the wrong eye work as the dominant eye. Sabataging the shot.
Your eyes mean well but I don't think the maker thought much about us shooting balls in a hole and how we see them.
Learning how to keep the eyes in the dominant position will allow you to see the shot the best naturally.
When we play alot we start shooting better and we call it getting in stroke. A big part of getting in stroke is getting the eyes in the more correct position from repetition. Once the eyes are in line the stroke seems to flow just fine.
Hi there Spimp13,
try this little test. Look at an object on the wall about 20 feet away. Now take your hand and cover your right eye and keep looking at the object. Now put the hand over your left eye.
Switch your hand back and forth from eye to eye.
If you didn't already know which eye is covered it would be kind of hard to figure out which eye you can really see the object with.
It appears you can see with both eyes no matter what.
This is why you can't really tell where the eyes are when you are aiming. They kind of just try to do their own thing and sometimes their own thing makes the wrong eye work as the dominant eye. Sabataging the shot.
Your eyes mean well but I don't think the maker thought much about us shooting balls in a hole and how we see them.
Learning how to keep the eyes in the dominant position will allow you to see the shot the best naturally.
When we play alot we start shooting better and we call it getting in stroke. A big part of getting in stroke is getting the eyes in the more correct position from repetition. Once the eyes are in line the stroke seems to flow just fine.
Call me anyway while your doing it.
Call me. it will get me off this computer for a few minutes.
Call me. it will get me off this computer for a few minutes.
Gene, thanks for the reply.
When you say sabataging the shot are you referring to tricking my brain into thinking I see the line when in fact I don't?
I understand what you are sayin.........
In the preshot routine you can also make the right eye dominant or the left eye dominant. This is another reason to know which eye is dominant so you don't have your nondominant eye working as the dominant eye in the preshot and then switch on the way down getting the dominant eye where it belongs. You need the right picture above and below.
And here's the problem. Standing up in the preshot the shot looks good whether you are looking at it with your dominant eye in the dominant position or the non dominant eye in the dominant position. And the further away you get the eyes kind of work like one.
Set up a straight in shot about 4 feet long. Now position the tip of the cue behind the cue ball and standing upright with the butt of the cue at your waist. Now look at the shot from up above like you are trying to judge how much of the ball your going to hit.
Move to the right as far as far as you can and still see the shot. You will nitice if you open and close an eye that you are using your left eye as the dominant eye.
Move to the left as far as you can go and still see the shot and you will see that your right eye is now working as the dominant eye.
The problem is both of these wats look good from up there but when you go down on the shot you need the dominant eye in the correct position and the shot is screwed.
Your correct that when you get closer you start using the dominant eye. Real close is like aiming a gun.
We are kind of in never-never land. Between just using one eye close up like with a gun or being back 30 feet where the eyes seen to work as one with hardly any visible dominance.
Now we have to adjust to the inbetween. Now on top of this we have long shots,short shots,jacked up,jump,kicks,banks,break shots,and others to many to mention but unless we get the eyes in the most correct position good luck.
If you don't know the dominant eye it is impossible to knowingly correct your aim. it's as simple as adjusting the sight on your bow or gun.
But you need to know which way to correct. And that is different for everyone because everyones dominance can be right or left, strong or weak. Not one size fits all.
But the basic principle on how this works is exactly the same for everyone.
500 lessons and everyone so far is the same way. That;s good enough proof for me.
I want to commend you on your knowledge. Your spot on about your statement on this post about the eyes. Good stuff.
In the preshot routine you can also make the right eye dominant or the left eye dominant. This is another reason to know which eye is dominant so you don't have your nondominant eye working as the dominant eye in the preshot and then switch on the way down getting the dominant eye where it belongs. You need the right picture above and below.
And here's the problem. Standing up in the preshot the shot looks good whether you are looking at it with your dominant eye in the dominant position or the non dominant eye in the dominant position. And the further away you get the eyes kind of work like one.
Set up a straight in shot about 4 feet long. Now position the tip of the cue behind the cue ball and standing upright with the butt of the cue at your waist. Now look at the shot from up above like you are trying to judge how much of the ball your going to hit.
Move to the right as far as far as you can and still see the shot. You will nitice if you open and close an eye that you are using your left eye as the dominant eye.
Move to the left as far as you can go and still see the shot and you will see that your right eye is now working as the dominant eye.
The problem is both of these wats look good from up there but when you go down on the shot you need the dominant eye in the correct position and the shot is screwed.
Your correct that when you get closer you start using the dominant eye. Real close is like aiming a gun.
We are kind of in never-never land. Between just using one eye close up like with a gun or being back 30 feet where the eyes seen to work as one with hardly any visible dominance.
Now we have to adjust to the inbetween. Now on top of this we have long shots,short shots,jacked up,jump,kicks,banks,break shots,and others to many to mention but unless we get the eyes in the most correct position good luck.
If you don't know the dominant eye it is impossible to knowingly correct your aim. it's as simple as adjusting the sight on your bow or gun.
But you need to know which way to correct. And that is different for everyone because everyones dominance can be right or left, strong or weak. Not one size fits all.
But the basic principle on how this works is exactly the same for everyone.
500 lessons and everyone so far is the same way. That;s good enough proof for me.
I want to commend you on your knowledge. Your spot on about your statement on this post about the eyes. Good stuff.