Dominent Eye (INTERESTING STUFF)

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DURING MY STUDIES TEACHING PERFECT AIM I HAVE LEARNED SOME INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT POOL PLAYERS DOMINENT EYE AND WHAT ROLE IT PLAYS IN THEIR AIMING.

I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT IS EVERYTHING.

You can shoot by feel and if you shoot alot like 10 hours a day 9 days a week you will naturally get your eyes in the most perfect position from repetition. The same if you were chopping wood and trying to hit a tiny spot on a piece of wood with an ax. If you did it everyday for 8 hours a day you could hit that little spot close to perfect over and over with alot of practice.

If you had to shoot a gun to kill your food and you had a choice to use a gun that had a site on it or one that didn't I'm sure you would want to use the one with the sight. Then again you would have those people that will say they shoot just as good with the one that has no sight because they just shoot by feel.

You can't shoot a gun very accurately by just pointing it the same as you can't just shoot a pool shot by just pointing. You need to know where the sight is. On the gun it is obvious but with aiming a pool shot the natural spot where the eyes need to be are kind of hidden. You can usually get them there but the secret is to keep them there all the time because if you don't you miss.

I just love to play players that say they just play by feel. If their not playing 8 hours a day their in big trouble because their eyes are just not naturally in the most correct position. The only problem you have with them is trying to get the bet up there because they are usually limited with their ability.

The term for a player feeling the shots real good is called being in stroke when in all reality it's not the stroke at all but the ability to get the eyes in the most correct position on every shot.

And then there are just some shots that you have trouble with all the time because they just don't seem to look right so you constantly miss those shots pretty regularly. It's because on some shots it is just harder to get the eyes in the right position. But this can all be corrected once you understand how the eyes really work when aiming a shot.



Unlike chopping wood the pool table is a real challenge of optical illusions. Round balls, some with strips, and all the wierd angles. On some shots if your not careful you can go crosseyed.

Almost all players have no clue where the best place is to have the eyes. There is noone that teaches it and when someone like myself comes along and says he has the answer there are so many teachers and players that step up and say how can that be. They don't have a clue. Plus they ridecule what is being taught even though they don't understand it thinking that they do.

About 50% of the players can do a simple eye dominence test and they will find out their dominent eye. The other 50% are kind of tough. I don't know the exact numbers here but about 40% flunk the eye dominence test all together. By that I mean the test they use by pointing says they are right eye dominent only to find out when I do some other tests while they are shooting they are actually left eye dominent when they shoot pool. This is something that you really can't change. It's the way your eyes send the info to the brain.

Because with my Perfect Aim lesson I have to identify the dominent eye I have learned a method to find anyones dominent eye in about 10 seconds. It's made what I teach very easy. I am using this method with the 14 Perfect Aim review players here on AZ with great results.

Sometimes before when doing a lesson it could take up to an hour to make sure which eye is dominent. And like I said before if you don't know which eye is dominent you can't adjust your eyes to the perfect position to see all shots as good as you possibly can.



Bottom line is I have been able to identify everyones dominent eye that I have worked with.

Of course you can shoot by feel and some players play pretty good like that but the ones that I've taught the Perfect Aim to that know which eye is dominent and know how to get their eyes in the most perfect position are aiming better than ever before.

Ask some of those players if they would rather play by feel or knowing where the eyes need to be.

Maybe some of the players that have learned Perfect Aim would like to put their 2 cents worth in here.

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QUOTE: genomachino: About 50% of the players can do a simple eye dominence test and they will find out their dominent eye. The other 50% are kind of tough. I don't know the exact numbers here but about 40% flunk the eye dominence test all together. By that I mean the test they use by pointing says they are right eye dominent only to find out when I do some other tests while they are shooting they are actually left eye dominent when they shoot pool. This is something that you really can't change. It's the way your eyes send the info to the brain.

Because with my Perfect Aim lesson I have to identify the dominent eye I have learned a method to find anyones dominent eye in about 10 seconds. It's made what I teach very easy. I am using this method with the 14 Perfect Aim review players here on AZ with great results.

Sometimes before when doing a lesson it could take up to an hour to make sure which eye is dominent. And like I said before if you don't know which eye is dominent you can't adjust your eyes to the perfect position to see all shots as good as you possibly can.

Bottom line is I have been able to identify everyones dominent eye that I have worked with.
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Hey Geno, I don't think you found gold here. Finding the dominant eye is quite simple and I can and have been finding it all of 10 seconds for numerous year on anyone and everyone I have worked with. I taught firearms training, and it is more important to ID the dominant eye firing a firearm than shooting a pool cue. I've never met someone that said they shoot a weapon on feel. Not saying somebody didn't do it, but I've yet to meet the feller. Usually they are using the sight but using wrong eye, squeezing too hard, poor stance, poor grip mechanics, etc, etc. But I do ID it on pool players as well in case they are folks who put one eye over the cue, and thus the non-dominant eye is over the cue versus both eyes or at at least the dominant eye. Never tried your "aim system", but if it helps folks, I"m all for it.
 
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Not looking for gold...just the answer...........

ChicagoRJ said:
QUOTE: genomachino: About 50% of the players can do a simple eye dominence test and they will find out their dominent eye. The other 50% are kind of tough. I don't know the exact numbers here but about 40% flunk the eye dominence test all together. By that I mean the test they use by pointing says they are right eye dominent only to find out when I do some other tests while they are shooting they are actually left eye dominent when they shoot pool. This is something that you really can't change. It's the way your eyes send the info to the brain.

Because with my Perfect Aim lesson I have to identify the dominent eye I have learned a method to find anyones dominent eye in about 10 seconds. It's made what I teach very easy. I am using this method with the 14 Perfect Aim review players here on AZ with great results.

Sometimes before when doing a lesson it could take up to an hour to make sure which eye is dominent. And like I said before if you don't know which eye is dominent you can't adjust your eyes to the perfect position to see all shots as good as you possibly can.

Bottom line is I have been able to identify everyones dominent eye that I have worked with.
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Hey Geno, I don't think you found gold here. Finding the dominant eye is quite simple and I can and have been finding it all of 10 seconds for numerous year on anyone and everyone I have worked with. I taught firearms training, and it is more important to ID the dominant eye firing a firearm than shooting a pool cue. I've never met someone that said they shoot a weapon on feel. Not saying somebody didn't do it, but I've yet to meet the feller. Usually they are using the sight but using wrong eye, squeezing too hard, poor stance, poor grip mechanics, etc, etc. But I do ID it on pool players as well in case they are folks who put one eye over the cue, and thus the non-dominant eye is over the cue versus both eyes or at at least the dominant eye. Never tried your "aim system", but if it helps folks, I"m all for it.
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Hi there ChcagoRJ,

I've had players do 20 different eye dominence tests with pointing, looking through circles looking for the answer and have come down to the conclusion that this is just the way this persons eyes are wired to work with their brain.

Just 2 days ago I was working with a player at Jimmys Pro Billiards in Minneapolis and I did the looking through the circle eye dominence test to see which eye is dominent. Then I got down with these big balls that I use to test and they told me just the opposite.

I suspected that I had another one of these opposite players right away. Then what I do is get them down to aim the way they see the ball best on a straight in shot. Which ever eye is dominent will be in towards the center of the cue ball ever so slightly. Once I see this I have the player move their head to the right or the left to have them put the non dominent eye in the position that the dominent eye was. The shot won't look as good but the player will be able to identify what position the eye has to be both ways.

Now the player can make a choice. Does it look better when I'm aimed right eye dominent or does it look better when I'm looking left eye dominent.

It's obvious to that player which way looks the best. They are the only ones that are looking through their eyes. The way their eyes and brain are wired is the way they see the best.

Why do players that are left handed at everything swing a baseball bat right handed? Why do people that write right handed throw a baseball left handed?

Many players that are right eye dominent are left handed and left eye dominent right handed.

I don't know for sure if this is true but I heard that years back if you were right handed in the army but they found out you were left eye dominent they would teach you to shoot the rifle left handed. They since have corrected this teaching.

Tell a major league baseball player that bats right handed once you find out that he is left eye dominent that he has to bat left handed from now on because that's the best for him. I don't think he would like that very much.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not stupid. I know how to do every conventional way of checking for the dominent eye there is I think. And I've used them to find the dominent eye. But I'm telling you there is merit in what I'm saying.

When every test you do says the player is right eye dominent and then he gets down and has the cue under the left eye there is obviously no doubt that he is left eye dominent or vise versa when he shoots pool..

The problem is that when a player is not real strong right or left eye dominent you can't tell by looking at the player if he is right or left. so you do the dominence test. Every test you do says he is left eye dominent only to find out beyond a shadow of a doubt that when he gets down to aim a pool shot that he sees the shot best himself with his own eyes with the right eye being in the dominent position.

Sometimes the difference on these players is only 1/2 inch to the right or the left to make the right eye dominent or the left eye dominent.

There is a reason why some players just can't see the shots as good as others.

There is a middle. This middle is the difference between the right eye being dominent and then moving over to make the left eye dominent. No matter what the dominent eye has to be to the edge of the middle all the time to see the shot the best.

The same can be said when you point your finger. Point your finger at an object ten feet away with both eyes open. When you look past your finger you will see 2 fingers. You can move your finger back and forth so you are pointing with the left eye or the right eye. One way looks better usually and this is the dominent eye. For some people this is not as clear cut as it is to you and me. They really cannot tell the difference or it is close. Or maybe they can and this says they are right eye dominent but then they get down on the shot under their left eye.

It's easy for someone to assume that I just don't know what I'm talking about. And I don't blame anyone for feeling that way because it appears that the eye dominence tests are just cut and dried. But seeing is believing and with over 1000 personal lessons this is what I've found.

Unless someone had a reason to find someones dominent eye and then needed to know this information and be absolutely certain about it in order to teach them how to aim better than ever before this problem would never have been addressed.

The test I use only shows which eye is dominent when they aim a pool shot. It doesn't matter about when they shoot a gun or anything else. All that matters is how they can aim a pool shot the best and how they see it the best. This is what I teach is pool shot aiming.

Hey, but most players don't know how to adjust the head to get it in the proper position anyway so it really doesn't matter to them at all. They are just trying to put the head and eyes in the right position naturally. And you can do this fairly well naturally.

But the player that finds out where this natural sight is has a huge advantage in aiming a shoot.

It's just so much better to be able to see no matter what you are doing.

This is one of the reasons I am doing the Perfect Aim review. These players are learning how much of a difference it is making.

One of them Pete said to me, I don't know how I ever made that shot before I learned perfect Aim.

Got to go. Gonna be late for a lesson.

Have a great day Geno....................
 
just a small comment.

Long time ago i saw on tv some stuff about helicopter pilots. It is said that to be a good pilot they had to have the ability to choose there dominant eye... im part of one of these, i can force the eye dominance whenever i want. naturally i'd say im more right eye dominant, but depending on 1000000000 factors, it can change. (lightning, how tired i am, my concentration, am I looking at the OB or the CB, etc etc...)

im not sure but ive seen pro snookerplayers do this more often then before. when they are down on the shot, they move there head very slowly and not more then an inch to the left and right. im not sure about this, but my best guess would be that they have the same problem. There dominant eye is not fixed, and on each shot they have to check wich eye is dominant.

in the example, put your finger arm lenght away from your eye and look in the distance, you will see 2 fingers. i can focus my eyes, so that one finger disapears almost completly, and i can choose wich finger that is....

for some eye dominance can be there weakest link :D
 
Im left eye dominant and shoot right handed. The optical nerve in my right eye has been damaged since birth so contacts or glasses cant do anything. I found that I play by feel and I realized that I hardly look directly at the pockets when im shooting. Playing by feel is the real deal
 
I've come up with my own eye dominance test :D

Look straight ahead. Now look slightly downward. Out of the very corner of your peripheral vision, you can see a ghostly image of your nose. Which side are you seeing? If it's the left side you're left eye dominant and vice versa.
 
Left eye dominent

Well maybe there is hope yet.I need to put my left eye over the cue.I"ll be DAMN,will give a report back tomorrow,might have somethig here.:)
 
If the image is the side of the nose, doesn't that mean if the image is on the right side then you are left eye dominant and if the image is on the left side then you are right eye dominant?
 
CreeDo said:
I've come up with my own eye dominance test :D

Look straight ahead. Now look slightly downward. Out of the very corner of your peripheral vision, you can see a ghostly image of your nose. Which side are you seeing? If it's the left side you're left eye dominant and vice versa.
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Maybe both my eyes are the same, or my nose is not long enough to see???

Think my right eye is is the Stronger of the two, and I am Left Handed. LUCKY ME.
 
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CocoboloCowboy said:
Maybe both my eyes are the same, or my nose is not long enough to see???

Think my right eye is is the Stronger of the two, and I am Left Handed. LUCKY ME.
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Hi there Cowboy.

Makes no difference which eye is dominent but it does make a huge difference where you have them positioned. This is what I teach.

Some players catch on real quick. Some not so quick. And some need to call me for my FREE personal on the phone lesson for no charge.

I'll make you a promise Cowboy. When I get back down to Phoenix,which might be in about 6 months, I'll give you a free little lesson with Perfect Aim.

The catch is if you like it you need to tell everyone. Deal or no deal?

As much as we have been on the internet together it would be fun to meet you in person.

Have a great day geno..........:cool::happydance:
 
genomachino said:
Hi there Cowboy.

Makes no difference which eye is dominent but it does make a huge difference where you have them positioned. This is what I teach.

Some players catch on real quick. Some not so quick. And some need to call me for my FREE personal on the phone lesson for no charge.

I'll make you a promise Cowboy. When I get back down to Phoenix,which might be in about 6 months, I'll give you a free little lesson with Perfect Aim.

The catch is if you like it you need to tell everyone. Deal or no deal?

As much as we have been on the internet together it would be fun to meet you in person.

Have a great day geno..........[...annoying emoticon snip...]
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Exploitive/opportunistic viral marketing at its finest.
 
Totally off topic here, but you brought it up.:grin: You don't need sights on a handgun to hit the target. It has nothing to do with sights and everything to do with indexing the weapon properly. If you index the weapon properly, there is no need for sights

Back on topic:
This makes a lot of sense for pool players though. I'd love to hear more about how the aiming system works and what role the dominant eye plays in it
 
More info on role of dominant eye.

hivoltg said:
Totally off topic here, but you brought it up.:grin: You don't need sights on a handgun to hit the target. It has nothing to do with sights and everything to do with indexing the weapon properly. If you index the weapon properly, there is no need for sights

Back on topic:
This makes a lot of sense for pool players though. I'd love to hear more about how the aiming system works and what role the dominant eye plays in it
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Hi there,

I've learned through 100's of lessons that the best way to teach this is to show the player not only how to line up the shot up with the dominant eye but to show them how to aim it with the non-dominant eye. The distance the player moves back and forth from right to left eye dominant I call the middle. This dictates where the players perfect spot is by knowing where to position the dominent eye in this middle. And there is only one spot where each shot looks real good. You can be off a little with the eyes and it will look OK but that is when we are liable to miss. We want it to look real good because OK just doesn't get the best info to the brain that we could get to coordinate the body with the shot.

Have you ever gotten down on a shot and it just didn't quite look right. It looked OK but it just didn't look real good. These are the shots that we usually miss. We kind of knew that it wasn't right from the git go.

Once you learn to have these eyes in that perfect position you can rule that out if you miss the shot. Maybe too much spin or maybe too hard. But if you can aim the shot perfect it is easier to adjust your aim to compensate for the english.

I'm not saying you can be totally perfect everytime but you can be real close by knowing how to position the eyes in the correct spot. More so than just guessing. I love to play players that say they play by feel only. If they play someone that really knows how to aim they're going to have a long night. And maybe an expensive one at that.

This game of pool is a game of optical illusions. Round balls, straight sticks. Wierd angles, jacked up, stretched out and just plain old hard to focus sometimes.

On each shot the eye that is doing the shooting and I said eye, has to be in the correct position or you don't have much of a chance to execute the shot or the shape.

We are all so capable of playing so good. We all have 2 eyes, hands, nose, teeth. We all have the same tools. And sure some people are more coordinated than others but if you can't see what your doing it doesn't matter how coordinated you are . It ain't going to work.

Why is it that the greatest athlete in the world can try to play a game of pool and can't make 3 balls in a row. Certainly he should get real good real fast. If you teach him where the eyes need to be he will learn real fast.
And this is what I have found is holding back so many players. They are stuck in one speed for 10 years.

Why can't they get any better. They keep missing the same shots because the eyes are in the same wrong position on these peticular shots. Again, once you learn to have the eyes in the correct position you can turn your toughest shot into your favorite shot.

I got shoulder surgery at 6:00 am. I need to get back to bed.

See ya in a couple of days. Have a great weekend Geno.............
 
So, in your opinion, where should the dominate eye be indexed with the cue? Should it be directly over the cue? I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, I'm just trying to figure through the details.

Good luck with your surgery. Here's to a speedy recovery:thumbup2:
 
hivoltg said:
Totally off topic here, but you brought it up.:grin: You don't need sights on a handgun to hit the target. It has nothing to do with sights and everything to do with indexing the weapon properly. If you index the weapon properly, there is no need for sights
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Think that my be good in a self defense mode, shoot for center mass, and too stop. But if you are shooting bulls eye competition you need sights for this precision marksmanship.

Back on topic:
This makes a lot of sense for pool players though. I'd love to hear more about how the aiming system works and what role the dominant eye plays in it
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Holding two pool ball and the hand up to the light, you see the smallness of the surfaces that touch. Pool IMHO is a very precision exercise of hitting when Cue Ball, into a SMALL PRECISE Point on the Object Ball to make the shot be executed as planned.

Compare the precision that is need to the steady had of an Eye Surgeon, where one slip off the intended point to be cut could mean disaster for the patient ability to see is a good comparison IMHO.
 
sfleinen said:
Exploitive/opportunistic viral marketing at its finest.
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Think Geno studied under this pro,
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Not sure about pool but in sports like baseball golf tennis it is actually an advantage to be croos dominant ex right handed left eye. Most great baseball hitters were cross dominant and a large majority of great ballstrikers in golf are cross dominant. I am cross dominat but with a twist haha. I shoot some competitive pistol stuff and for several days after i shoot I am right eyed dominant not sure why this happens but it does. I guess i force myself to use the right eye when shooting. It always goes back to the left eye in a couple of days but if I try to hit a golf ball or play tennis in that time frame it is ugly haha. Never really payed that much attention to it in pool I just lean in and shoot when it looks right.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Think that my be good in a self defense mode, shoot for center mass, and too stop. But if you are shooting bulls eye competition you need sights for this precision marksmanship.
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I'm not so sure about "Bullseye Competition", I was thinking more along the lines of standard IDPA and three gun type matches. Plate racks, for example, at 20 or 30 paces or a man sized pepper popper at further distances.
What you describe a "self defense mode" shouldn't matter whether you have sights on the gun or not as they would be rendered useless anyway from the full guard <----the pistol pulled into your center mass for greater control in a fight


CocoboloCowboy said:
Holding two pool ball and the hand up to the light, you see the smallness of the surfaces that touch. Pool IMHO is a very precision exercise of hitting when Cue Ball, into a SMALL PRECISE Point on the Object Ball to make the shot be executed as planned.

Compare the precision that is need to the steady had of an Eye Surgeon, where one slip off the intended point to be cut could mean disaster for the patient ability to see is a good comparison IMHO.
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This, we definitely agree on.
 
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