Don't let the Philippino's play each other in the early rounds.

bfdlad

bfdlad

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I guess the rule or desision to not let the Phillipinos play each other in the early rounds payed off for someone. Looks like there could be 2 in the US Open finals. So I am obviously biased but still don't get why it happened and seems like it worked out the way the powers wanted it to.
I do not want to take anything away from the players as they have to play very well to get to this point but would there have been a different outcome if that rule was not there? Thats my question.
 
bfdlad said:
I guess the rule or desision to not let the Phillipinos play each other in the early rounds payed off for someone. Looks like there could be 2 in the US Open finals. So I am obviously biased but still don't get why it happened and seems like it worked out the way the powers wanted it to.
I do not want to take anything away from the players as they have to play very well to get to this point but would there have been a different outcome if that rule was not there? Thats my question.
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All of the Filipinos who have a great chance to win the whole thing were all bunched up in 1 bracket, except for Parica. If they were spread evenly in all of the 4 brackets, who knows? It could've been worse, like 4 out 4 for the semifinals, I'm not saying that this could happen, but please give credit where credit is due...
 
bfdlad said:
I guess the rule or desision to not let the Phillipinos play each other in the early rounds payed off for someone. Looks like there could be 2 in the US Open finals. So I am obviously biased but still don't get why it happened and seems like it worked out the way the powers wanted it to.
I do not want to take anything away from the players as they have to play very well to get to this point but would there have been a different outcome if that rule was not there? Thats my question.
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What are you talking about? The fact that 4 of the top Filipinos were grouped together in one group (Bustamante, Kiamco, Corteza and Alcano) and had to knock each other out is not an advantage over the rest of the field. Just give credit where credit is due. Alcano and Kiamco are playing the best pool of their lives and they should be commended for it.

Furthermore, I was not aware there was a rule or 'desision' to not let the Filipinos play each other in the first rounds. Where did you get that info? All the while I thought they had to draw to determine what brackets the players will belong.
 
gopi-1 said:
All of the Filipinos who have a great chance to win the whole thing were all bunched up in 1 bracket, except for Parica. If they were spread evenly in all of the 4 brackets, who knows? It could've been worse, like 4 out 4 for the semifinals, I'm not saying that this could happen, but please give credit where credit is due...
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I did give credit to them for having to play VERY well regardless of anything.
 
Well, I am not biased, nor am I aware of the rule or decision that you are speaking of. Two Americans, or Brits, or Germans could have found themselves matched up against each other couldn't they ? Isn't it a blind draw ? Any politics or favoritism is unacceptable. This should be international competition at it's finest, just like we would expect and demand if we are over in their country. Please explain more about what happened.

Two Filipinos did in fact end up in the semi-finals, and it may be that two Filipinos will play in the finals. So what ? The Filipinos are setting the worldwide standard for excellence in pool. My hats off to them...Tom
 
f210 said:
What are you talking about? The fact that 4 of the top Filipinos were grouped together in one group (Bustamante, Kiamco, Corteza and Alcano) and had to knock each other out is not an advantage over the rest of the field. Just give credit where credit is due. Alcano and Kiamco are playing the best pool of their lives and they should be commended for it.

Furthermore, I was not aware there was a rule or 'desision' to not let the Filipinos play each other in the first rounds. Where did you get that info? All the while I thought they had to draw to determine what brackets the players will belong.
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See thats where you are wrong, they said that a nation of 8 or more would be separated so they didn't all end up playing each other in the first rounds after traveling so far. There was another thread that went over that ruling and many were confused since the USA Players or anyone else who go over there and travel long distance are not given that. Again, these guys are GREAT Players and deserve the credit for getting there. Just an obserbvation from a previous thread
 
tpdtom said:
Well, I am not biased, nor am I aware of the rule or decision that you are speaking of. Two Americans, or Brits, or Germans could have found themselves matched up against each other couldn't they ? Isn't it a blind draw ? Any politics or favoritism is unacceptable. This should be international competition at it's finest, just like we would expect and demand if we are over in their country. Please explain more about what happened.

Two Filipinos did in fact end up in the semi-finals, and it may be that two Filipinos will play in the finals. So what ? The Filipinos are setting the worldwide standard for excellence in pool. My hats off to them...Tom
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There was a decision that was made that theydid the seeding and the international players with more than 8 players from each country would be separated up. Its just the way it was.
 
bfdlad said:
See thats where you are wrong, they said that a nation of 8 or more would be separated so they didn't all end up playing each other in the first rounds after traveling so far. There was another thread that went over that ruling and many were confused since the USA Players or anyone else who go over there and travel long distance are not given that. Again, these guys are GREAT Players and deserve the credit for getting there. Just an obserbvation from a previous thread
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Then if that is the case, why did they bunch up 4 of the top 8 Filipino players in one bracket? Bracket 3 did not even have a single Filipino so your presumption does not hold any water and does not make any sense. If Corteza and Bustamante were in brackets 1, 2 or 3, then you might even find more cause for complaint because we might have 3 or 4 Filipinos in the last 4.
 
Its not a presumption, look into it. Don't take my word for it. How many How many played each other in the first round? I don;'t know the answer to my own question I just know that they manouvered things around.
 
bfdlad said:
See thats where you are wrong, they said that a nation of 8 or more would be separated so they didn't all end up playing each other in the first rounds after traveling so far. There was another thread that went over that ruling and many were confused since the USA Players or anyone else who go over there and travel long distance are not given that. Again, these guys are GREAT Players and deserve the credit for getting there. Just an obserbvation from a previous thread
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That's a ridiculous rule and discriminatory. That's like saying eight white people travelling from Canada shouldn't play each other, either.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
That's a ridiculous rule and discriminatory. That's like saying eight white people travelling from Canada shouldn't play each other, either.
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Thats what I thought at the very beginning when I head about it. There is a thread out there about this I will find it and post it.
 
f210 said:
Then if that is the case, why did they bunch up 4 of the top 8 Filipino players in one bracket? Bracket 3 did not even have a single Filipino so your presumption does not hold any water and does not make any sense. If Corteza and Bustamante were in brackets 1, 2 or 3, then you might even find more cause for complaint because we might have 3 or 4 Filipinos in the last 4.
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Actually, the 4 are the top 5 Filipino players for this tournament, the one who was not in their bracket was Jose Parica.
 
bfdlad said:
Its not a presumption, look into it. Don't take my word for it. How many How many played each other in the first round? I don;'t know the answer to my own question I just know that they manouvered things around.
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Just because a thread was posted here does not mean it is TRUE. Can you direct me to any OFFICIAL link or ruling that would verify what you are talking about?

The fact that 4 of the top Filipinos were bunched together in one bracket makes your presumption FALSE.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
That's a ridiculous rule and discriminatory. That's like saying eight white people travelling from Canada shouldn't play each other, either.
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Why do you have inject COLOR in there?
The Filipinos spent a $1000 at least just for tickets to get here.
Any concession done to their favor was not protested by the players.
 
bfdlad said:
Thats what I thought at the very beginning when I head about it. There is a thread out there about this I will find it and post it.
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You can find 10 different threads but that still would not make it TRUE. I can post a thread myself and claim it is true. We need an official link to that ruling because they certainly did not follow it when the 4 Filipinos were grouped together.
 
f210 said:
You can find 10 different threads but that still would not make it TRUE. I can post a thread myself and claim it is true. We need an official link to that ruling because they certainly did not follow it when the 4 Filipinos were grouped together.
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Ok, thats fine, you are right. I am wrong, You happy now? seems that there are some very reliable and trustworthy people posted on that thread that seem to believe it for one reason or another. Maybe they all know something you don't? Probably not though they are all wrong again I am sorry you are right. I said what I wanted to I think I have govenn you the info you needed your choice to believe the other thread or not. Your belief in it is at this point a matter of supreme indifference to me.
 
bfdlad said:
Its not a presumption, look into it. Don't take my word for it. How many How many played each other in the first round? I don;'t know the answer to my own question I just know that they manouvered things around.
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If this rule really existed, because all you can say was this was from another thread, that a country who has 8 or more players will not play each other in the 1st round, then this rule was not all about the Filipinos, because Timbuktu and the Prince of Brunei can send an 8-man contingent for this Open, this is an Open tournament right? It just so happen that the Filipinos sent 8 players, and it doesn't mean the organizer's arm was twisted into deciding this to favor the Filipinos, please don't make it sound so bad.

Imagine Warren Kiamco who already played 13 matches (a bye, a loss, and 11 wins) and has two more games left to play to go
all the way, wins the whole damn thing, will this lessen his win because he didn't have to play a fellow Filipino in the 1st round?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Why do you have inject COLOR in there?
The Filipinos spent a $1000 at least just for tickets to get here.
Any concession done to their favor was not protested by the players.
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Well let's see. Alcano had to knock out Bustamante to the loser's round. Kiamco had to knock out Corteza out of the competition. If these 4 players were spread out, some people would have more cause for complaint. So what 'concessions' are some people taking about?
 
bfdlad said:
Ok, thats fine, you are right. I am wrong, You happy now? seems that there are some very reliable and trustworthy people posted on that thread that seem to believe it for one reason or another. Maybe they all know something you don't? Probably not though they are all wrong again I am sorry you are right. I said what I wanted to I think I have govenn you the info you needed your choice to believe the other thread or not. Your belief in it is at this point a matter of supreme indifference to me.
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:D :p :grin: Whatever.... Next time stop being so gullible and believing whatever you read. You are just trying to make excuses and sour graping because your favourite players did not make the semifinals. I am going to enjoy the rest of the games and will not waste my time responding to you anymore.
 
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