Dont use an ld shaft to develop a straight stroke

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my 2 cents and i want your comments
since "normal" shafts have more deflection
they will amplify the defects in your stroke
so
use them for practicing the various perfectly straight stroke drills
am i crazy??(not my personality...:D ..but for suggesting this)
I WHOLELY ENDORSE THEM FOR PLAYING...:wink:
 
bbb said:
my 2 cents and i want your comments
since "normal" shafts have more deflection
they will amplify the defects in your stroke
so
use them for practicing the various perfectly straight stroke drills
am i crazy??(not my personality...:D ..but for suggesting this)
I WHOLELY ENDORSE THEM FOR PLAYING...:wink:
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The best way to learn what happens with deflection is to hit a
nearly straight in shot, stopping the cue ball spinning in place.
.
 
bbb said:
my 2 cents and i want your comments
since "normal" shafts have more deflection
they will amplify the defects in your stroke
so
use them for practicing the various perfectly straight stroke drills
am i crazy??(not my personality...:D ..but for suggesting this)
I WHOLELY ENDORSE THEM FOR PLAYING...:wink:
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Disagree. I use an LD shaft, and practice straight stroking often with it. It just depends on what you are doing to practice stroking straight. I recently posted a drill I use. Doesn't matter what kind of shaft you have with it.
 
Neil said:
Disagree. I use an LD shaft, and practice straight stroking often with it. It just depends on what you are doing to practice stroking straight. I recently posted a drill I use. Doesn't matter what kind of shaft you have with it.
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i disagree
with respect
with a low deflection shaft
if you are off by a mm or 2 from perfect vertical axis
you still make the shot
thats what they were made to do
with a nice ivory ferulled shaft
that 1mm off of vertical will cost you
 
bbb said:
i disagree
with respect
with a low deflection shaft
if you are off by a mm or 2 from perfect vertical axis
you still make the shot
thats what they were made to do
with a nice ivory ferulled shaft
that 1mm off of vertical will cost you
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The cue ball will spin if you hit off center with any kind of shaft. You might make the ball, but you'll see whitey spinning.
 
bbb said:
i disagree
with respect
with a low deflection shaft
if you are off by a mm or 2 from perfect vertical axis
you still make the shot
thats what they were made to do
with a nice ivory ferulled shaft
that 1mm off of vertical will cost you
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To practice stroking straight, I set the cb just in front of the rack. I set an ob dead center table. I then shoot the ob with a stop shot. The goal is to have the ob hit the end rail, come back and hit the cb, and then the cb hit your tip.

Doesn't matter what kind of shaft you use on that shot. Slightest bit off and you don't get the cb back to your tip. The drill checks straight stroking, hitting the cb where you intend to, and checks aiming all in one.
 
Neil said:
To practice stroking straight, I set the cb just in front of the rack. I set an ob dead center table. I then shoot the ob with a stop shot. The goal is to have the ob hit the end rail, come back and hit the cb, and then the cb hit your tip.

Doesn't matter what kind of shaft you use on that shot. Slightest bit off and you don't get the cb back to your tip. The drill checks straight stroking, hitting the cb where you intend to, and checks aiming all in one.
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my point is a non deflection shaft will magnify how off you are
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Low squirt shafts are less forgiving of cueing errors, not more.

pj
chgo
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I was going to say it makes little difference if you're bridging at the effective pivot point. But in that case, the long bridge required for LD pivot points makes accurate hitting on the CB harder.

Is that along the lines of your thoughts PJ?

Colin
 
Baxter said:
The cue ball will spin if you hit off center with any kind of shaft. You might make the ball, but you'll see whitey spinning.
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That ^, and also the drill where you shoot to the rail and back down to your cue tip or to the spot. If you make the ball with spin, it will spin off the rail and not hit the target.

While the idea to use a regular shaft to practice straight in shots does have a theoretical benefit (yes you'll miss more if you strike a bit off center), there are two other simple ways to practice and see if you hit where you want to.

I think the difference in feel and action you will have when switching shafts will offset any benefit since when you switch back to the other shaft it won't quite play the same.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I was going to say it makes little difference if you're bridging at the effective pivot point. But in that case, the long bridge required for LD pivot points makes accurate hitting on the CB harder.

Is that along the lines of your thoughts PJ?

Colin
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Your first point is closest to my thinking: a higher squirt shaft will have a pivot point closer to most bridge lengths, so the natural "backhand English correction" will be more accurate.

pj
chgo
 
Baxter said:
The cue ball will spin if you hit off center with any kind of shaft. You might make the ball, but you'll see whitey spinning.
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Exactly!

But i get "BBB" s point. The idea is not sooo bad. But if you practice the right things, and know what to look for it doesn t matter if you use LD or regular shaft anyway.
Even regular shafts can have a nice low deflection .-)

you ll see always, as Baxter wrote, if oyu don t hit the vertical axis. no matter if using ld or regular :)
 
it also depends if your alignement was wrong (cue is offcenter, but paralel) or if you commit a technical error during the delivery. while in case A the LD cue will help you, it will send the cueball off line in case B (unintentional backhand english). Either way, there are good drills to get a straight stroke, and you should do them with your player to get a feel for the cue.
 
Ratta said:
Exactly!

But i get "BBB" s point. The idea is not sooo bad. But if you practice the right things, and know what to look for it doesn t matter if you use LD or regular shaft anyway.
Even regular shafts can have a nice low deflection .-)

you ll see always, as Baxter wrote, if oyu don t hit the vertical axis. no matter if using ld or regular :)
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i agree. its not essential to use a regular shaft to test and hone your stroke
but making the ball and seeing some spin
makes me think i wasnt THAT OFF
missing the ball reinforces its worse than i thought..........:D
and
when i make the ball with the normal shaft it reinforces how good/straight my stroke is
 
still you see if you hit the ball correct and clean buddy. it s just about your own responsibility ☺ the cueball always will tell you the truth.
 
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