double black from atlas, HA!!

Cue Crazy said:
The black micarta sheets (Industrial Composites label) are good and black when finished. The material is very consistent also. The double black rod I have was purchased, oh I guess about a year and 1/2 to 2 years ago, and It's like the rod in the picture. It does indeed finish black also as claimed. I like to seal before sanding anyway.
I bought a piece of the single black rod while It was on sale a while back also, and even most sections of that piece were black when finished, but there were areas that could use some dye on the rod, altough that was to be expected with single black, and so I did with that in mind at the time when I purchased It.
I would'nt want to misrepresent the meaning behind My earlier post, so I just want to clarify that any mention of the sharpie on My part was with the single black in mind, and the purplish color of the ink. I was just refering to the color of the sharpies dye, and not so much the fact that any rod in paticular would need that. I have not tried the latest batch of double black though, but the batch I was sent before needed no dye. In fact most of the single I got on sale did'nt either, and for the price I would take some more of It if there was any left.;) :) For the price of double black though, I would hope it needed no dye.

I can't speak for anyone else, because i don't know what they received, but about the only real complaint I have is I wish the material was cheaper;) , but I guess that's economics, and I understand the reasons behind why the stuff is'nt cheap to make.:), so It's really just wishfull thinking on My part.:) I wish ivory was cheaper also, but that aint gonna happen:D .

Greg C
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I don't know when this change was supposed to have taken place but I sure hope it was just recently. I bought 16 feet of joint size about 6 months ago and it is horrible. Not just the color but the texture as well. It feels like there is not enough resin used so that the cloth is porous in spots.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
I don't know when this change was supposed to have taken place but I sure hope it was just recently. I bought 16 feet of joint size about 6 months ago and it is horrible. Not just the color but the texture as well. It feels like there is not enough resin used so that the cloth is porous in spots.

Dick
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I don't know of any changes Myself, but I just happen to have found the invoice. I bought a lenth of both sizes on 2/28/05, but it turns out that I was mistaken on the single black, It was actually double black also. I must have thought about the single as a cheaper alternative, but changed My mind. Anyhow the buttsize was fine, but the jointsize had simular areas in the rod to what you describe, but most of the lenth was usable without dye. I noticed if i sanded on the pieces in question too much, that it tended to make the weave stand out more. sealing it off first seemed to help some with that, as well as with dust getting trapped in the pores of those spots you mentioned. Still most of the section I had no problems with just a few places, and the butt size was good to go for the most part, as long as I did'nt get dust into the pores, before finishing. I like the micarta sheets, no issues at all with it.
 
The Atlas Double Black is by far the best out there.
Brent, might I inquire to your sanding procedures prior to finishing? I used to have that problem till I took a little spray of water to the phenolic then "wet sanded". Not often would there be any "whiteness" left over, but when there was, the finish always took care of it.
Outside of that, I've always had good experiencs with Atlas Billiard Supply. Chad really is the best thing to happen to them. I've seen him countless times, and every time, he has gone out of his way for me and for other customers. Not only that, but he has made ALOT of things happen for that company since I've known him. Did you bring this situation up with the good people at Atlas prior to your post?
 
spotless said:
The Atlas Double Black is by far the best out there.
Brent, might I inquire to your sanding procedures prior to finishing? I used to have that problem till I took a little spray of water to the phenolic then "wet sanded". Not often would there be any "whiteness" left over, but when there was, the finish always took care of it.
Outside of that, I've always had good experiencs with Atlas Billiard Supply. Chad really is the best thing to happen to them. I've seen him countless times, and every time, he has gone out of his way for me and for other customers. Not only that, but he has made ALOT of things happen for that company since I've known him. Did you bring this situation up with the good people at Atlas prior to your post?
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no , i didn't talk to chad about it. there have been previous posts on az about this same problem. i'm not knocking chad at all. i know that he is aware of this problem. i was only looking for a solution, not to stir up doo doo! :D when sanding, i'm keeping my air nozzle on it at full pressure.
i have not tried wet sanding as i was concerned about that residue bleeding into the maple.
after sanding with 220 & 320 , i wipe down with mineral sprits. previously , i was wiping with thinner & someone suggested mineral spirits would be better.
so, am i doing someting wrong??? like i mentioned a few posts ago, those pics are of two different cues with a pc from the same tube, one foot apart. i used the same procedures on both, but a dramatic difference in appearance is clearly visible.​
 
Next thing us buyers know, well be havin rainbow buttcaps and joints............................ UGGGGGGGHHHHH !!!!!!!:D

Keep up the good work guyssssssssss......:)
 
Brent,
Are you finishing with super glue? If so I have found it shows all patterns in the phenolic much worse than slower drying finishes. If you are using super glue here are a couple of tips to help bring it blacker. Don't use the thin stuff for the first coat. Don't use any accelerator for the first coat. Use the medium and let it sit on it wet for a while soaking in. If it does not turn white by frosting it will darken up the linen. Another option is to seal with epoxy as it will darken up the linen. Down side with that is the yellowing problem down the road, since CA glues don't yellow easily they still don't provide UV protection for what is under them. If you are spraying, this post may not help you, but maybe it will help someone else.
Thanks,
Chris
 
cueman said:
Brent,
Are you finishing with super glue? If so I have found it shows all patterns in the phenolic much worse than slower drying finishes. If you are using super glue here are a couple of tips to help bring it blacker. Don't use the thin stuff for the first coat. Don't use any accelerator for the first coat. Use the medium and let it sit on it wet for a while soaking in. If it does not turn white by frosting it will darken up the linen. Another option is to seal with epoxy as it will darken up the linen. Down side with that is the yellowing problem down the road, since CA glues don't yellow easily they still don't provide UV protection for what is under them. If you are spraying, this post may not help you, but maybe it will help someone else.
Thanks,
Chris
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no sir, that is clearcoat. i did howerever, find that the aerosol accelerator i was using on some previously super glue cues was causing the black to look awful. have since got a different brand, liquid accelerator that does not cause that discloration. however, both of those cues pictured DO NOT have super glue on them.
 
I use a little bit of blonde shellac on all joint and ringwork as a sealer. It does darken up the black and cleans up the dust. I spray clearcoat after the sealing.
 
ratcues said:
We have a supplier that will make the double black phenolic but we'd have to buy 10K feet. We just cannot justify that.
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What are the big guys like Joss east and McDermott doing? Are they have it made just for themselves?
 
> Apparently McD has their own idea. "Collar: McDermott utilizes our exclusive Impact Control Ring, which is made from a Polymer Matrix Composite that was originally developed by NASA." I've heard this stuff referred to as M-Pact. Tommy D.
 
macguy said:
What are the big guys like Joss east and McDermott doing? Are they have it made just for themselves?
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McDermott does not use a phenolic but some resin based polymer. There is no linen in it and it ribbons when cut. Joss East uses phenolic but I am not sure if he has his own stock or not. Does anyone else know?
 
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