Double elimination, unless you're the undefeated player. Why?

[Scaramouche]

Off-hand, the only other competitions I can think of that uses a similar format - repechage - are rowing and cycling, and only to get into the semi-finals, not a straight shot at the top prize.

Shouldn't the person who went through undefeated be declared the winner, and the two players who lost one game play for second and third? Otherwise, the loser in the final, if it is the first loss, should get a rematch.

 

[ironman]

It's mostly just for TV matches due to the time constraints but over the years many non-televised pro events have also used the single finals which has carried over to many local events. To me it's unfair, that's why all Viking Tour events (EXCEPT 1-POCKET) have true double elimination finals. Our percentage over the years may surprise you but 68% of the time the player from the 1-loss side ends up winning the tournament.

Respectfully,

Wow, I would never have gussed 68%. That is extraordinary.

On the Fast Eddies Olhausen Tour 1 double dip has occured in the past 18 months. Scott Toleffson doubled Hillbilly back April in Houston. AThat was two races to 9.

 

[RunoutalloverU]

Yes I have noticed this very unfortunate fact with watching matches online, and on video. This I guess can be another absurdity to add to my list of absurditys regarding professional and semi-professional pool.

 

[MikeJanis]

Wow, I would never have gussed 68%. That is extraordinary.

On the Fast Eddies Olhausen Tour 1 double dip has occured in the past 18 months. Scott Toleffson doubled Hillbilly back April in Houston. AThat was two races to 9.

As a note: The only Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour event Charlie "Hillbilly" Bryant ever won he double dipped Brian Butler in the finals in Marietta (Atlanta) GA. It was a $10,000 added event with 128 players. http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2005.cfm?eventnum=75

Additionally, at last years Viking Cue 9-Ball Tours $25,000 National Championship Dennis Hatch double dipped Stevie Moore for the win.

"Hatch Scores Viking National Championship Title
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/billia...national-championship-title-200611194089.html
by Inside POOL Staff

In a brutal two-set final match, billiards player Dennis Hatch managed to wrest the Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour's championship title from local legend Steve Moore of Duluth, GA, 11-8, 11-9. This Viking Tour event has been hosted by The Pool Room in Duluth, GA, this week, ending with the final match Sunday."




http://azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2005.cfm?eventnum=75
Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour Stop
February 26 - 27, 2005
The Pool Room
Marietta, GA

Place Player Name Prize Money
1st place Charlie Bryant $4,920.00
2nd place Brian Butler $3,500.00
3rd place David Broxson $2,500.00
4th place Bill Ussery $1,700.00
5th place Stevie Moore $1,100.00
5th place Brian Capps $1,100.00
7th place Ron Park $750.00
7th place Paul Song $750.00
9th place John Schmidt $475.00
9th place Jim Jennings $475.00
9th place Bruce Berrong $475.00
9th place Earl Strickland $475.00
13th place Dave Maddux $300.00
13th place Robert South $300.00
13th place Aaron Frady $300.00
13th place Todd Drake $300.00
17th place Mark Gregory $200.00
17th place Horace Godwin $200.00
17th place Jeff Abernethy $200.00
17th place Scott Lewis $200.00
17th place Jerry Grooms $200.00
17th place Pat Brown $200.00
17th place Helena Thornfeldt $200.00
17th place Monica Webb $200.00
28th place Paul Turner $100.00
26th place Billy Tyler $100.00
25th place Rich Howard $100.00
32nd place Chuck Dorsett $100.00
31st place Joe Rossman $100.00
29th place Billy Bailey $100.00
27th place Joe Tucker $100.00
30th place Ed Pope $100.00

Hatch Scores Viking National Championship Title
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/billia...national-championship-title-200611194089.html
Results:

1st Dennis Hatch
2nd Steve Moore
3rd Stoney Stone
4th Johnny Archer
5th Chris Bartram
Sparky Ferrell
7th Jessie Middlebrook
Keith Bennett
9th Will Bilbrey
David Broxson
Justin Hall
Shannon Daulton
13th Jim Jennings
Donnie Mills
Larry Nevel
Jerry Slivka
17th Anthony Morgan
John Schmidt
Corey Deuel
Cliff Joyner
Justin Pope
Earl Strickland
Tony Watson
Tom D'Alfonso

 

[cuetable]

It seems like lately there is a trend of having double elimination tournaments, but with only one final match.

In 2000 USOpen 14.1 Straight-Pool Championship at Roseland Ballroom, New York, Min-Wai Chin, an unknown 400 ball killer from Taiwan, beated one legend after another and went straight to the final. He lost to Ralf.

You might not have seen him, if you do you won't forget the punk hairstyle.

http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2000.cfm?eventnum=77

 

[dabarbr]

Actually, it's not terribly uncommon in the New York area to have the finals be only one set. What will typically happen here is there will be a race to 7 unless the loser's side gets there first, then the race is extended to 9.

Regarding one set versus two, I have mixed feelings on it. If the Loser's Side Finalist wins the first set, he technically has a better record then the Winner's Side Finalist so declaring him the winner would not be inappropriate. Also, I would imagine the Winner's Side Finalist has a HUGE (almost unfair) advantage in a two-set format.

Regardless, everyone usually knows beforehand what the format is and if they don't agree, they have the right to not participate. From my own experiences, I'm usually happy to be in the finals and could care less what the format is.

I like this idea. A little consideration for the person that is in the hot seat. Normally by this time everone is tired and wants to go home anyway.

I many times I will split with whoever comes from the loser side and just take an extra small percentage, mainly for bragging rights. Most will accept this.