Dr. Dave ....

I had similar question to the op. It appears to me that with Wood shaft, I could hit further from the center without misusing. I can easily be miscuing with Carbon Fiber. Also the tip softness or hardness plays a role too. Though by feelings, I have more confident with wood shaft than carbon fiber. This is why I love KielWood shafts and then Wood shaft. I prefer Solid shaft and not cored.
I’ve been playing Kielwood shafts for the past 15-16 months. When you find the right one, you’ll become a big fan too.
 
I’ve been playing Kielwood shafts for the past 15-16 months. When you find the right one, you’ll become a big fan too.
I agreed! I also love KielWood Shaft!!
I didn’t say anything about “wood” or “regular deflection,” but a “whippy” shaft (regardless of what is made of) can certainly make these shots easier. And a whippy shaft can certainly be LD.
Thanks for your clarifications! What was the exact brand did Venom you for the shaft ?
 
The lower mass could facilitate the tip getting out the way?
If the shaft had similar bending stiffness to one with higher end mass, this is probably true. Generally CF shafts are higher bending stiffness. Maybe an LD wood shaft would be best?
just speculation since i dont know
but
the higher mass could facilitate the cue ball getting out of the way ?...... :unsure:
 
Thanks for your clarifications! What was the exact brand did Venom you for the shaft ?
Sorry, but I don’t know, but it had a very small diameter and was very whippy. It also had a small ferrule. I suspect the shaft was custom made for Venom. It has low endmass and low CB deflection. It is an LD shaft.
 
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I went and recorded a few shots, but the realized that I mixed up French words in my head. Here are some examples of piqués.



I am using a Revo 3C-U with a BK Rush butt. It is a very high deflection / low squirt shaft.

I am certain that I can produce a fouetté shot also. It’ll be a new shot for me to practice.
 
I think the common Wood Shaft can make the cueball to be lively, or having a lot of actions by itself.
I am thinking of a pole vault cue (pole but perhaps Freudian)and historical changes. Or ping pong paddles change from sand paper to rubber. 🤔
So different styles should be suited to a different flex in the cue. Starting with shaft the ferrule then tip combinations of flex or hardness in each.
So I prefer a stiff hit as my game is plain Jane just like the cue. 😉 some call it sneaky but a reputation can preceed. The guys that had the big stroke but lacked cueball control made for a profitable evening. (After work) Don't quit the day job. 😉
 
View attachment 884060I went and recorded a few shots, but the realized that I mixed up French words in my head. Here are some examples of piqués.



I am using a Revo 3C-U with a BK Rush butt. It is a very high deflection / low squirt shaft.

I am certain that I can produce a fouetté shot also. It’ll be a new shot for me to practice.
Small hands. I have to do those free hand. Yoyo action is pretty easy though.
 
View attachment 884060I went and recorded a few shots, but the realized that I mixed up French words in my head. Here are some examples of piqués.



I am using a Revo 3C-U with a BK Rush butt. It is a very high deflection / low squirt shaft.

I am certain that I can produce a fouetté shot also. It’ll be a new shot for me to practice.
Wow I wonder what a digiball would show ? Wish I had 1 to see. 😆
 
Venom uses a carbon fiber shaft on his main massé cue, and he is pretty good at massé shots:


Although, he can probably hit awesome massé shots with almost any cue.
Yes, clearly at 3:07 the play cue were using wood shaft which allows it to flex away slower and giving room for the cueball to clear off. This was what I posted above. There are carbon fiber shaft that can also flex like Meucci Carbon Pro, but it flexes back much faster than the wood shaft would and hence likely to cause a clearer fouls visually than woodshaft would.

In this clip, Venom had to exaggerated his shots so the fouls were likely to happen, especially under slow motions. However, in a typical play conditions where Masses are typically carried out would be ways less than that, and cue elevations would be around a less than 30-40°, then the Cueball will always be clearing the way.

I also agree that Venom can use about any shafts for Masses 😍, legendary status for sure. But if we asked anyone on a regular play conditions, they would all be rather use wood shaft instead. At least, that I haven't encountered anyone who would prefer using Carbon Shaft for applying side spins, including Masses. Even Carlos Biado prefers his Wood Shafts.

I do know there are people who prefer Carbon shaft for Bottom/Top spins though.

While you are here, may I ask ? Is there a specific rules for using the Jump Cue butt and play shaft to execute Masse shots during competition plays ? This combination gives an effortless masses shots, and some people called it "unfair/foul play"
 
...hence likely to cause a clearer fouls visually than woodshaft would.
Apologies, but I am having trouble understanding what you mean.

Here is a snapshot of the slow motion video from above after one period of oscillation after first contact, and even with a high speed camera it looks like the tip is making secondary contact. How does a wood shaft cause clearer fouls if we can't even see it with this expensive equipment, let alone from a distance at normal speed and lighting?

I think most would agree that this happens too quickly and it isn't perceivable enough to either see or to effect the shot.

An analogy could be when two balls are frozen together. Where do you draw the line? Would we use a scanning electron microscope to determine that the ball surfaces indeed aren't really touching?

Just curious what you mean.

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Apologies, but I am having trouble understanding what you mean.

Here is a snapshot of the slow motion video from above after one period of oscillation after first contact, and even with a high speed camera it looks like the tip is making secondary contact. How does a wood shaft cause clearer fouls if we can't even see it with this expensive equipment, let alone from a distance at normal speed and lighting?

I think most would agree that this happens too quickly and it isn't perceivable enough to either see or to effect the shot.

An analogy could be when two balls are frozen together. Where do you draw the line? Would we use a scanning electron microscope to determine that the ball surfaces indeed aren't really touching?

Just curious what you mean.

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I didnt say that. I said the Carbon Fiber shaft would cause a "clearer fouls" than woodshaft would, just because it flexes back much faster than wood.
 
Venom uses a carbon fiber shaft on his main massé cue, and he is pretty good at massé shots:


Although, he can probably hit awesome massé shots with almost any cue.
Is there a sensible theory for why maple might masse better than CF? Full disclosure: I don’t buy it.

pj
chgo
 
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Is there a sensible theory for why maple might masse better than CF? Full disclosure: I don’t buy it.

pj
chgo
It was already posted and disclosed everywhere. It is the "Whippy" factors from it.

Just like Dr.Dave stated, it is all a personal preferences. Ralph Ekert plays with his woodshaft
 
I’ve found that in OP when you need high side spin revolution and low speed for tricky take out of pocket shots, maple performs much better than CF. And in humid conditions even more so. This also holds true for bank shots where to need to hold your cue ball location but throw the object ball to the pocket.
 
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