Drivermaker Holiday Tournament coming soon???

I'm new around here, but I'm In if ya'll have me.

Sounds like a lot of fun, and a great way to pratice at the same time....
 
OrigZaphod said:
I'm new around here, but I'm In if ya'll have me.

Sounds like a lot of fun, and a great way to pratice at the same time....

You're in.
It is a lot of fun and humbling at the same time.

I'd just like to say also, all you people who have tables in your homes, SUCK!
Just kidding of course but I wish I had the room. Makes it a lot easier to complete this task.
 
Williebetmore said:
DaveK,
I'm wondering if we should change the cue ball placement options a little to make it less complicated. In a version of Bowlliards that Allen Hopkins also devised, the rule after the break is that you can shoot from where the cue ball rests; or you can take cue ball in hand in the kitchen (and can shoot balls that are in the kitchen or out). Short, simple, to the point. If you scratch on the break its just cue ball in hand in the kitchen. Pretty simple.

I'm torn on this one willie. After the options are understood there can easily be some advantage to the other placements. I took some low scores early last year because I chose the wrong option on some tough clustered-up racks. I don't think I used the 'within a triangle' option, but that too could make a big difference in some racks. I guess I'd prefer to see the rules stay as originally posted for the following reasons :

- if the rules don't change then anyone posting a lower score than DM's last years score won't have that agument when they are harassed (pre-emptive excuse elimination)

- the new players deserve to feel that awful feeling when they realize they made a tactical error in an early rack after they learn the power of the various options (this falls into the misery loves company category, I know I do)

- given that it was originally posted by DM, it makes perfect sense that there is a rule that demands attention, comprehension and understanding over-and-above the bashing level ... I always got the impression that DM hated when people didn't pay attention.

Of course I would be pleased to go with the majority on this one if there are any other opinions.

Dave
 
I would like to give it a shot as long as there are no hidden fees...Im not looking to win anything, 1. because Im garbage and 2. because there is no entry fee. A quick question...I play alot, can I do more than 50 racks or do 50 racks a few times not only to try to better my score but maybe we can all watch the averages change. I think AZbers should have a place to post a 50 rack score a month. Nothing to obligated to but could be interesting. thanks FWIW.
 
csf914 said:
I would like to give it a shot as long as there are no hidden fees...Im not looking to win anything, 1. because Im garbage and 2. because there is no entry fee. A quick question...I play alot, can I do more than 50 racks or do 50 racks a few times not only to try to better my score but maybe we can all watch the averages change. I think AZbers should have a place to post a 50 rack score a month. Nothing to obligated to but could be interesting. thanks FWIW.

This will be a fee free fun fracas, not to worry. The prizes are about the same as the entry fee, the experience is priceless.

Pay no attention to what Zeeder suggested, playing a bunch of racks and posting the best 50 is cheating :eek: . The basic premise is to post the first 50 racks after the official start date and time. No muligans, no "oops, I'll start over", no "I'll just leave that rack out", just play, count, and post the scores.

For general pratice and monitoring game improvement (this game, anyway), doing this test every once in a while is a good idea imo.

Speaking of the official start time, could someone please tell me when is Thanksgiving ? And while we're at it, why not set an official start and stop date/time (wbm, this may fall to you). I'll suggest midnight Dec 31, 2005 as the stop/all-scores-must-be-posted time, but as I mentioned, I don't know when Thanksgiving is, so I can't suggest a start time.

Dave
 
keep the rules the same

Dave, I'm not torn at all.

By my way of thinking, this is a standardized set of rules, and I humbly agree that everyone deserves that lousy feeling of 0's and 1's when they could've moved the cueball to begin their runouts.

I'd agree that having a fixed stop and start is a good idea, altho I might extend into New Years Day just for the sake of another day off of work for some people.

I'd like to see us encourage the posting of scores by rack, not just total. I think part of the masochistic pleasure will be how many 1's and 0's I had compared to everyone else!

In any event, I began lurking in these parts after last year's DM got going, and didn't participate. I did however, try it out, and have used this as a skill drill off and on throughout the year, and have enjoyed it.



DaveK said:
I'm torn on this one willie. After the options are understood there can easily be some advantage to the other placements. I took some low scores early last year because I chose the wrong option on some tough clustered-up racks. I don't think I used the 'within a triangle' option, but that too could make a big difference in some racks. I guess I'd prefer to see the rules stay as originally posted for the following reasons :

- if the rules don't change then anyone posting a lower score than DM's last years score won't have that agument when they are harassed (pre-emptive excuse elimination)

- the new players deserve to feel that awful feeling when they realize they made a tactical error in an early rack after they learn the power of the various options (this falls into the misery loves company category, I know I do)

- given that it was originally posted by DM, it makes perfect sense that there is a rule that demands attention, comprehension and understanding over-and-above the bashing level ... I always got the impression that DM hated when people didn't pay attention.

Of course I would be pleased to go with the majority on this one if there are any other opinions.

Dave
 
I did 10 racks this morning. I had a score of 109. Multiplied by 5, that's an average of 545. That's not very good. I hope to greatly improve. I had TWO scores of 2!!
 
I did a few racks and got 16,2,20, and 20. Hopefully can improve on not getting that low score. My strategy is probably obvious, but I get rid of the clusters and leave the last balls spread out around the table for easy positional play.
 
scratch question

I just shot a 110, ended 2 racks with a make and a scratch. I counted it same as a miss, 0 points for the made ball and no penalty for the scratch. Is this wrong or right?
 
ccn7 said:
i did 10 racks also but was about 100 less than you 454. never made a 20, this is sure tougher than i had expected ,those last 5 in rotation kill my score i also sure hope to improve ALOT. good luck to you Hal and the rest of you all.
You're right it is very tough. I play a lot by myself and get bored easily. This is a very good game.
 
I am sure that I missed it somewhere. But would someone kindly give me a link to the rules of the game. Sounds like fun and sure beats just banging the balls around.

Peace, Joe
 
Here it is..

drivermaker said:
So here are the rules:

1. Rack fifteen balls on the Foot Spot, in any order, and place the cue ball ON the Head Spot. Break the balls. If you miscue or miss the cue ball completely, it is a foul. Re-Rack, break again and subtract one from your score. If you miscue and contact the rack, you may choose to continue shooting, leaving the balls where they lie and not take a foul.

2. If you scratch on the break, it is a minus 1, unless the cue ball goes off the table, then it is a minus 2. After a scratch on the break, you may place the cue ball on either the Head Spot of Foot Spot and shoot any ball on the table, or place the cue ball anywhere behind the Head String and shoot any ball above the Head String. On the break, if you scratch or the cue ball goes off the table, all balls made on the break stay down but do not count as points. If you do not scratch on the break, then all balls made on the break count as one point each.

3. After the break, if you do not have a shot or do not like the shot you have, you may choose one of three options. (a) Place the cue ball anywhere behind the Head String and shoot any ball above the Head String. (b) Place the cue ball on either the Head Spot or the Foot Spot and shoot any ball.
(c) Place the rack over the cue ball (where it lies) and move the cue ball anywhere inside the rack and shoot any ball. All of the options noted above are a penalty and incur a minus 1.

4. After the break, whether you made a ball or not, proceed to shoot, calling each shot. Try to run the table, shoting the ball in any order UNTIL THERE ARE FIVE BALLS REMAINING. If you do pocket ten balls, then the last five balls must be shot IN ROTATION (in numerical order starting with the lowest number ball). If you MISS A SHOT, the rack is OVER. There are no second chances or mulligans! The first ten balls score 1 point each, and the last five balls score 2 points each. On each rack you can score a MAXIMUM of 20 points.

5. When there are six balls on the table and you pocket two or more balls in one shot, they all stay down and are each worth 1 point. Shoot the remaining balls in rotation, in which each ball is worth 2 points each.

6. Ten racks comprise a session. In one session you can score a maximum of 200 points. The score from TEN SESSIONS (100 racks) determines your Official Rating. The highest possible Official Rating is a perfect score of 2000 points.

Here is the Rating System:

0-300 - Recreational Player
301-600 - Intermediate Player
601-900 - Advanced Player
901-1200- Developing Pro
1201-1600 - Semi-Pro
1601-1800 - Pro
1801-2000 - Touring Pro

You'll have to keep a running scorecard of each game and each session (10 games) for 10 sessions (100 games)

Give it a try, it's quite interesting, sometimes frustrating, and reveals your strengths and weaknesses. Remember...no mulligans and cheating.
 
Koop said:
A note from beyond the forums ;)

"I wanted me to let you know that a "Memorial" tournament isn't necessary since I'm alive and well. I could come on at any time under another screen name but choose not to because I'm sick and tired of the Shorty's of the world, the Marissa's, and the Mike Howerton's.

That having been said, I wish all of you a Happy Holiday and good shooting."

Disclaimer:
These are NOT my words. You can fire if you want to but I'm just the messenger of good will and shooting.

Thanks, Koop for dredging up the spirits of the past....ooooooooohoooohooo :eek:

Tell DM that he's welcome to play, too, after all it was his idea. If anyone doesn't agree, say so.

Jeff Livingston
 
DougT said:
By my way of thinking, this is a standardized set of rules, and I humbly agree that everyone deserves that lousy feeling of 0's and 1's when they could've moved the cueball to begin their runouts.

I like the way you think :D

DougT said:
I'd agree that having a fixed stop and start is a good idea, altho I might extend into New Years Day just for the sake of another day off of work for some people.

Ya, I recall this happening last year, and you are right, an end time of midnight on Jan 1 2006 makes more sense as people can play on New Years Day if they are not watching football or turkeys cooking.

And now for another tactic on the start time THANKSGIVING WAS ON OCTOBER 10TH, WAS IT NOT ?

DougT said:
I'd like to see us encourage the posting of scores by rack, not just total. I think part of the masochistic pleasure will be how many 1's and 0's I had compared to everyone else!

This was the way scores were posted last year. Typically the participants replied in a 'scores thread', and edited these replys as they played more sets of 10 racks (10 sets to complete the 100 racks, 5 sets this time around). A set was posted with individual scores, such as one I recall playing which went something like : 20,20,20,18,14,12,16,7,2,4 (I remember this one as it made me vewy vewy angwy).

Dave

PS, I agree Jeff, DM should post-by-proxy a score this year ... I think he got lucky over and over and over last year ... no way he can play that well again, no way
 
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DaveK said:
And now for another tactic on the start time THANKSGIVING WAS ON OCTOBER 10TH, WAS IT NOT ?


Dave

Knew you Canucks would find a way to cheat!:D

Terry
 
DaveK said:
And now for another tactic on the start time THANKSGIVING WAS ON OCTOBER 10TH, WAS IT NOT ?


Dave that was OUR thanksgiving, thanksgiving for our friends to the south is the last Thursday of November, which would be the 24th.
 
sniper said:
Dave that was OUR thanksgiving, thanksgiving for our friends to the south is the last Thursday of November, which would be the 24th.

I know that was our thanksgiving, and ya, I was looking to cheat :D Frankly I am not suprised that another Canadian answered my question.

Dave
 
pre-tourney qualifier

I tried out 10 racks to see how it would work.
That way I could get some of the public embarrassment factor dealt with right away, and also have somebody check my math and understanding of the scores...

I made the following # balls
12,9,3,2,4,7,10,15,8,15
so I make the scores to be:
14,9,3,2,4,7,10,20,8,20
which is a total of 97.
If I did this 10 times, that would be 970, which would be "Developing Pro" according to the scoring?

Geez, that seems a very liberal interpretation of my skills to me, particularly since I tossed in those 3 really bad racks (3,2,4), and would think I could do better (don't we all?).

Upon further review, there are 4 levels of "pro" in the descriptions, which seems like too many? I mean maybe I should be a "decent-player, Pro-Tem" or something...

So I came up with some alternate title schemes for the Rankings. I don't expect anyone to adopt these, nor would I propose them for a vote, but figure you all might want to debate them for fun....

Scheme One: (nice reasonable scheme won't offend anybody)
0-300 Recreational Player
301-600 Intermediate Player
601-900 Advanced Player
901-1200 Expert Player
1201-1600 Shortstop
1601-1800 Pro
1801-2000 Tour Pro

or
Scheme Two (more perjorative, harsher, demanding and realistic?):
0-300 Recreational Banger
301-600 Intermediate Banger
601-900 Shooter
901-1200 Skilled Shooter
1201-1600 Player
1601-1800 Skilled Player
1801-2000 Pro



Of course, I really have no reason to propose these schemes other than to divert attention away from my scores.;)
 
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