I'm implying that e-cigs exist successfully without govt regulation to make it that way.
I do buy meat that isn't USDA approved...and I eat it.
Equating safety with govt regulation is a mistake and not healthy in the long run.
Jeff Livingston
E-Cigarette Ban in Los Angeles effective today...
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I'm implying that e-cigs exist successfully without govt regulation to make it that way.
I do buy meat that isn't USDA approved...and I eat it.
Equating safety with govt regulation is a mistake and not healthy in the long run.
Jeff Livingston
OK, my bad on assuming the ownership of that casino. We have several Indian-run casinos around and they have various reasons for allowing smoking or drinking or not.
My point was the govt-run casinos don't prohibit smoking at THEIR business, but disallow it at pool halls by threats of violence.
Jeff Livingston
as stupid as i think LA is being, it doesn't surprise me. Orange County will be next, i'm sure - you can't even smoke on the beach, or in your car if there is a minor present.
NC outlawed inside smoking everywhere, 5 yrs ago. we 3 used to eat out 4 nights/wk. we stopped. then some restaurants got smart & did outside seating. we went back. then the new Governor changed the rules to include no smoking w/in 20 feet of the building.
then 4 months after, NC raised cig tax. i'd bought cartons to go to CA/Vegas for 10 days - paid $28/ctn. when i got home, they were $48!!!! since i'm in Atlanta every month, i started buying cigarettes for everyone here @ SC/GA. NYers did the same thing - they just went over the line & bought in NJ.
E-cigs are just now catching on here in the past year, but growing fast. and it keeps more players in the room. we used to walk into Break Time & place was almost empty. yet balls on the tables? cause everyone was out back. plus, they save $ when you're paying $5-$8 table time.
NC outlawed inside smoking everywhere, 5 yrs ago. we 3 used to eat out 4 nights/wk. we stopped. then some restaurants got smart & did outside seating. we went back. then the new Governor changed the rules to include no smoking w/in 20 feet of the building.
then 4 months after, NC raised cig tax. i'd bought cartons to go to CA/Vegas for 10 days - paid $28/ctn. when i got home, they were $48!!!! since i'm in Atlanta every month, i started buying cigarettes for everyone here @ SC/GA. NYers did the same thing - they just went over the line & bought in NJ.
E-cigs are just now catching on here in the past year, but growing fast. and it keeps more players in the room. we used to walk into Break Time & place was almost empty. yet balls on the tables? cause everyone was out back. plus, they save $ when you're paying $5-$8 table time.
I'm all for this. Been crop dusted one too many times. Mad about it.
All this talk about the vapor really has me confused because what is being put into the air when there is an electric air freshener? Or for that matter spray air freshener like Febreeze?
Yesterday at Taco Bell, while ingesting the mystery meat that Taco Bell assured me is real meat, someone was spraying some kind of cleaner to wipe down the tables and clean the floor - surely those chemicals that were probably labeled poison on the bottle were present in the air and being consumed along with my tacos.
Or how about places which don't ventilate? Why should I be subject to the unhealthy practice of being doomed to breathe everyone else's exhaled stale air? Regulate that shit and mandate a certain number of fans. Also these places that keep the air conditioning on the North Pole setting are negatively impacting my immune system by forcing my cells to work harder to keep my core temperature up.
Let's all go to CDC approved camps and check ourselves in for numbering and labeling. Otherwise we risk death by chocolate at any time.
Yesterday at Taco Bell, while ingesting the mystery meat that Taco Bell assured me is real meat, someone was spraying some kind of cleaner to wipe down the tables and clean the floor - surely those chemicals that were probably labeled poison on the bottle were present in the air and being consumed along with my tacos.
Or how about places which don't ventilate? Why should I be subject to the unhealthy practice of being doomed to breathe everyone else's exhaled stale air? Regulate that shit and mandate a certain number of fans. Also these places that keep the air conditioning on the North Pole setting are negatively impacting my immune system by forcing my cells to work harder to keep my core temperature up.
Let's all go to CDC approved camps and check ourselves in for numbering and labeling. Otherwise we risk death by chocolate at any time.
agreed, JB.
and FYI, my pulmonologist is completely fine with E-cigarettes; no health hazards. i told KK9 last week, to lie about E-cigs when he was asked about smoking, and the doctor said: oh, then you're a non-smoker. (then he told me i should switch too)
and FYI, my pulmonologist is completely fine with E-cigarettes; no health hazards. i told KK9 last week, to lie about E-cigs when he was asked about smoking, and the doctor said: oh, then you're a non-smoker. (then he told me i should switch too)
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And what government casinos would you be referring to? As I understand it most casinos are owned by a handful of companies (MGM, Caesars, Wynn, Boyds).
Most of the ones in Iowa are basically govt-owned, controlled anyway, even though company's names are on the signs.
And those places allow smoking while the state takes away businesses' right to choose what client they do business with, i.e., freedom of association.
Meanwhile, in a weird twist of control, the poker room at Prairie Meadows, the Des Moines area's casino and the biggest in Iowa, had problems with the smoke in that room. So, guess what the players did on their own? They voluntarily got together and prohibited smoking in the poker room, and they did this long before he state made bars and restaurants do that. The rest of the place allows smoking.
Jeff Livingston
Now the FDA is involved. Looks like they will be regulated like cigarettes. Rather than claiming they are a "smoking cessation product", the industry is now angling toward a "safer alternative" to smoking.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10785596/US-cracks-down-on-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10785596/US-cracks-down-on-e-cigarettes.html
Because health is NOT the reason for doing this.
Unearned power and control is.
Jeff Livingston
Probably because of the addictive qualities of nicotine. I think the real pressure is coming from parents who see the some of these unregulated companies marketing to children, with concerns that e-cigarettes will serve as an introduction to smoking.
I remember similar scorn being directed at tobacco companies because of characters like Joe Camel.
As long as I can do that in the privacy of my own home I am ok with this....I don't know what I would do if they took away my right to dutch oven my wife at night!
Governments are usually looking for a reason to tax. Lawyers are looking for a reason to litigate which is just another tax burden that is passed on to the consumer. Now how are e-cigarettes bad and marijuana good. Only a group that is desperate for revenue to pay for out of control pension and salary obligations for government union workers could come up with policy like this.
They have no problem creating easy access grass and of course grass does not have any bad health effects. What about kids smoking grass? Grass is not addictive; I know many folks that have been smoking it their whole lives. Nicotine at least helps you concentrate. I have never been bothered by the vapor from e-cigarettes. The lawyers and state governments have already mined mountains of cash out of tobacco companies. I did not like the smoking indoors and like smoke free pool rooms.
Is there outrage over bubble gum vodka?
Also, every vendor i've ever encountered will only sell to people 18+.