E-Cigarette Ban in Los Angeles effective today...

[CreeDo]

Did you really see people vape rather than smoke in the places where smoking was permitted? I never saw that. In my experience, when smoking was permitted all pool halls allowed it and all smokers just smoked cigarettes. Then when most (? I think) states banned it, the pool halls were required to ban it. I see you're in New England - do any states there permit smoking in enclosed public places?

Oops... I'm actually not in New England anymore. In my state it's at the room owner's discretion.
No city- or state-wide ban.

I didn't mean to imply anyone vaped when they had the option to smoke.
You're right, they usually will smoke if given the choice.

So what I'm saying is... since the pool room banned smoking, but allows vaping,
the smokers are at least a little happy. And being a little happy means they don't
complain at the room owner and ask him to undo the smoking ban.

Many of them have taken up vaping only for places where cigarettes are banned.
But a few of them have switched to vaping entirely.
Whether or not that helps them quit, depends.

You can buy each flavor in a variety of nicotine strengths... usually 5 different levels.
So it's entirely possible that some people can quit by starting at a medium strength,
and gradually stepping down to lower levels. One of the levels is 0 nicotine,
so eventually you can quit cold turkey.

The damaging, cancer-causing stuff in cigarettes is mostly a by-product of burning
tobacco and some of the chemical additives that companies add to enhance flavor.
The nicotine is not entirely harmless either, but thankfully when you smoke
you're not ingesting 100% of it. Just a fraction of it.

From what I've read (sounds unbelievable) the amount of nicotine in 2-3 cigarettes would kill you
if you got 100% it in your system. For example if you ate the thing whole.

But the nicotine is mostly just added to keep you addicted, and is not the cause of cancers
associated with smoking.

I'm no expert but from what I've read, it seems pretty clear that vaping is much safer than smoking.

 

[classiccues]

Prior to the laws restricting smoking in these kinds of places, I never saw a single example of Pool Room A.

I agree. But now and then, it should have been a choice.

JV

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Oops... I'm actually not in New England anymore. In my state it's at the room owner's discretion.
No city- or state-wide ban.

I didn't mean to imply anyone vaped when they had the option to smoke.
You're right, they usually will smoke if given the choice.

So what I'm saying is... since the pool room banned smoking, but allows vaping,
the smokers are at least a little happy. And being a little happy means they don't
complain at the room owner and ask him to undo the smoking ban.

Many of them have taken up vaping only for places where cigarettes are banned.
But a few of them have switched to vaping entirely.
Whether or not that helps them quit, depends.

You can buy each flavor in a variety of nicotine strengths... usually 5 different levels.
So it's entirely possible that some people can quit by starting at a medium strength,
and gradually stepping down to lower levels. One of the levels is 0 nicotine,
so eventually you can quit cold turkey.

The damaging, cancer-causing stuff in cigarettes is mostly a by-product of burning
tobacco and some of the chemical additives that companies add to enhance flavor.
The nicotine is not entirely harmless either, but thankfully when you smoke
you're not ingesting 100% of it. Just a fraction of it.

From what I've read (sounds unbelievable) the amount of nicotine in 2-3 cigarettes would kill you
if you got 100% it in your system. For example if you ate the thing whole.

But the nicotine is mostly just added to keep you addicted, and is not the cause of cancers
associated with smoking.

I'm no expert but from what I've read, it seems pretty clear that vaping is much safer than smoking.

You're right. At the end of the day cigs are a nicotine input system. Replace it with something else and you have a alternative. If e-cigs don't help you quit than the nicotine patch or nicotine gum don't either (both of which have been proven to help you quit).

 

[Pidge]

You're right. At the end of the day cigs are a nicotine input system. Replace it with something else and you have a alternative. If e-cigs don't help you quit than the nicotine patch or nicotine gum don't either (both of which have been proven to help you quit).

I believe E-Cigs have a higher rate of people giving up smoking compared to patches and gum in the UK. They are much more than a nicotine fix. They make you go through the motion of 'smoking', keep your hands occupied as a cigarette would and some taste and give the same feeling in the back of your throat as a cigarette does. I've tried them and they don't work 100% for me atleast. They make me not want a cigarette for a while but eventually I will have a cigarette. It may be after a day or a week but eventually I crack.

I'm not sure if they're banned here like cigarettes are but there is a lot of bad press about them. On a national news channel last week it showed one that exploded into flames in a bar because there was an issue with the charger. If someone would have had it in there hand or mouth it would have been messy. But I know a lot that have not had a cigarette in over 8 months because of E-Cigs, so I say let them be used where ever, especially when they have no harmful effects to those around them.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

I believe E-Cigs have a higher rate of people giving up smoking compared to patches and gum in the UK. They are much more than a nicotine fix. They make you go through the motion of 'smoking', keep your hands occupied as a cigarette would and some taste and give the same feeling in the back of your throat as a cigarette does. I've tried them and they don't work 100% for me atleast. They make me not want a cigarette for a while but eventually I will have a cigarette. It may be after a day or a week but eventually I crack.

I'm not sure if they're banned here like cigarettes are but there is a lot of bad press about them. On a national news channel last week it showed one that exploded into flames in a bar because there was an issue with the charger. If someone would have had it in there hand or mouth it would have been messy. But I know a lot that have not had a cigarette in over 8 months because of E-Cigs, so I say let them be used where ever, especially when they have no harmful effects to those around them.

The problem is they are not regulated. Yes if they are regulated the price will go up.. a lot. However, at least we will know exactly what is in them. Personally speaking I only buy juice that is made in the US (and mostly local). None of the crap shipped here from China.

 

[smenzel]

Interesting ban. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other about the ban.

Last summer I attended rather large tournament where smoking was prohibited but vaporizers and e-cigs were allowed. I found it quite interesting how many of the vapor consumers didn't care where they exhaled and would often exhale right in your face while talking to you.

 

[chefjeff]

I was at the Chinook Winds casino a couple weeks ago. To my surprise you could smoke until you are green in the face but god forbid you use a e-cig. E-cigs are banned at the casino. WTF!

Again, it makes perfect sense.

Who really runs the casinos? Who collects graft from cigarettes? Who loves controlling our lives via threats and dictates? Who (now) really runs the pool halls and bars?

Watch Goodfellas and your "WTF" will be answered in detail.

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

I was in a small bar that has four tables and two young guys next to me started smoking/vaping/inhaling or whatever the hell it's called. Man that sheet stunk! I would have been happier if they just burnt some good quality weed and got the munchies. I have no idea what was in the things they were smoking but it was so awful I paid up and left. That is my one experience and hopefully my last. Smoking/vaping just makes me wonder, WTF can't you just breathe air like the rest of us

There's THE answer. No threads necessary, no guns needed, no tragedy of the commons, no parasites ordering us around.

Ta Dah!

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

The problem is they are not regulated. Yes if they are regulated the price will go up.. a lot. However, at least we will know exactly what is in them. Personally speaking I only buy juice that is made in the US (and mostly local). None of the crap shipped here from China.

Sucker! Regulation by govt? HA.

The govt owns the cigarette business and "we' have no clue what they add to those....and that's on purpose! Why can those companies get away with "legally" hiding the poison they sell? Because of govt "regulations." It's a ruse. If the govt really wanted to regulate something to protect you...well, would they simply "regulate" poison and hide the ingredients from you while telling you it's unhealthy, while taking money from you when you purchased the poison? Why would all of these contradictory and harmful things be happening IF regulation in any manner shape or form helped protect you from bad products?

I personally never believe a guy with a gun to my head as he claims he's here to help me. But maybe that's just me.


Jeff Livingston

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Sucker! Regulation by govt? HA.

The govt owns the cigarette business and "we' have no clue what they add to those....and that's on purpose! Why can those companies get away with "legally" hiding the poison they sell? Because of govt "regulations." It's a ruse. If the govt really wanted to regulate something to protect you...well, would they simply "regulate" poison and hide the ingredients from you while telling you it's unhealthy, while taking money from you when you purchased the poison? Why would all of these contradictory and harmful things be happening IF regulation in any manner shape or form helped protect you from bad products?

I personally never believe a guy with a gun to my head as he claims he's here to help me. But maybe that's just me.


Jeff Livingston

Are you implying that if e-cigs are regulated that they wouldn't actually be regulated? I am confused. Meat, veggies, alcohol all have strict regulations. How would this be any different?

Let me ask you this. If meat is not USDA approved would you buy it?

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Again, it makes perfect sense.

Who really runs the casinos? Who collects graft from cigarettes? Who loves controlling our lives via threats and dictates? Who (now) really runs the pool halls and bars?

Watch Goodfellas and your "WTF" will be answered in detail.

Jeff Livingston

Ummm the casino is owned by native Americans and they could easily make tax off e-cigs and regular cigs.

 

[justadub]

We must be different up here (an understatement, I expect)

Smoking has been banned in bars here for many years. The folks here have adapted quite nicely, and go outside to smoke if they need/want to.

I see very few of the e-cigs in use around here.

The ones that do use them, haven't bothered me. Of course, these folks seemed to have basic common courtesy, enough to not blow it in my face. No big deal, here. I can barely smell it if I'm right next to them, and only for a brief moment. Far better than true cigarette smell, which you can't get away from, it sticks to you and your clothes.

I hope there isn't some unknown detrimental effect from the e-cigs, as they seem to be a reasonable alternative. Of course, with all the different "stuff" that they can be fed with, I expect there will be some sort of regulation at some point...

 

[HighEndCues]

Let's just outlaw all hot showers also.
God knows it must be unhealthy to breathe that very bad steam.
Too funny how everyone is crying about vapors that disappear in 2 seconds.
Don't hug a person who is smoking a electronic cig, you'll be safe for those 2 seconds. Funny how they don't just make it totally illegal to smoke, and stop all production on them. OH NO, can't lose all the billions in tax money So collect all the taxes from cigarette purchases, but bust balls about smoking them.
Let's make farting in public illegal also. I'm sure that's a lot more unhealthy to breathe in.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

This has nothing to do with the ban but a lot of friends of mine use these and a couple of them have had problems after pro longed use. One developed a major blister in his mouth that eventually became an open sore. Others have had chronic sore throats and headaches. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any of those e-cigs are tested by anything like the FDA. I'm not a smoker, never have been and never will but I do believe the second hand vapor isn't as annoying or disrespectful to others as actual smoke.

 

[sixpack]

Let's just outlaw all hot showers also.
God knows it must be unhealthy to breathe that very bad steam.
Too funny how everyone is crying about vapors that disappear in 2 seconds.
Don't hug a person who is smoking a electronic cig, you'll be safe for those 2 seconds. Funny how they don't just make it totally illegal to smoke, and stop all production on them. OH NO, can't lose all the billions in tax money So collect all the taxes from cigarette purchases, but bust balls about smoking them.
Let's make farting in public illegal also. I'm sure that's a lot more unhealthy to breathe in.

Cold showers are a lot healthier look into it.

I'm with you on the e-cig ban. I just don't get it. I saw one of the authors of a bill banning it here in SF talking about how they see it as a gateway drug to tobacco. That people (children) who do it are more likely to smoke tobacco later so they need to ban it. Seriously?!? WTF??? The SAME people have ignored any 'gateway drug' issues with Marijuana and have denied that such a phenomenon exists.

And also implying - if you are against this you hate children. lol.

The US is fooked.

 

[sixpack]

We have rental properties that we rent out furnished for short-medium term rentals and we ban smoking - both tobacco and 420. Mostly because it's so hard to clean off the furniture. We are currently renting to a tech startup and they were cool with the smoking ban but asked if they could smoke e-cigs. Outside only. We said 'sure' because we weren't familiar with them and might as well see how it goes.

Honestly no trouble at all. Sometimes I'll smell a sweet aroma coming from outside late at night, maybe cherry blossoms or something. It's pleasant. They only smoke them outside and it seems to give them great pleasure to stand around and talk about the company they are building while smoking these elixirs. Let them have their fun.

What the hell difference does it make? Even if they are bad for them? Their choice and government should keep their big bazooka out of it.

 

[ChicagoJoe]

This has nothing to do with the ban but a lot of friends of mine use these and a couple of them have had problems after pro longed use. One developed a major blister in his mouth that eventually became an open sore. Others have had chronic sore throats and headaches. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any of those e-cigs are tested by anything like the FDA. I'm not a smoker, never have been and never will but I do believe the second hand vapor isn't as annoying or disrespectful to others as actual smoke.

where the heck are they getting their juice?

The headaches might be from the nicotine content being too high for them.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Cold showers are a lot healthier look into it.

I'm with you on the e-cig ban. I just don't get it. I saw one of the authors of a bill banning it here in SF talking about how they see it as a gateway drug to tobacco. That people (children) who do it are more likely to smoke tobacco later so they need to ban it. Seriously?!? WTF??? The SAME people have ignored any 'gateway drug' issues with Marijuana and have denied that such a phenomenon exists.

And also implying - if you are against this you hate children. lol.

The US is fooked.

Gateway drug is just silly. Is water a gateway drug to alcohol? It is as much as a e-cig is to a real smoke.

Worth noting is that e-cigs can be used without any nicotine. I know several people who vape and they do not even use the nicotine.

 

[ChicagoJoe]

Gateway drug is just silly. Is water a gateway drug to alcohol? It is as much as a e-cig is to a real smoke.

Worth noting is that e-cigs can be used without any nicotine. I know several people who vape and they do not even use the nicotine.

They can also be used with 100% vegetable glycerin so if you're unsure about the propylene glycol (or allergic), you can get juice without it.

 

[smenzel]

I was at the Chinook Winds casino a couple weeks ago. To my surprise you could smoke until you are green in the face but god forbid you use a e-cig. E-cigs are banned at the casino. WTF!

This must be a very recent ban. I distinctly recall seeing a number of people using vaporizers at Chinook Winds back in October of last year and am fairly certain I saw people using them this past March.

Are you sure it's the casino banning them and not the tournament?