Earl - Mars comment question/comment

u12armresl

u12armresl

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I wont deny that What Earl said was in poor taste and not a nice thing to say with anyone.

Why would you (John) threaten earl with
"He can take my threat anyway he wants but he shouldn't take it lightly. I hope he doesn't choose to insult Shane again by saying he wishes he was deaf, but if he does I like his chances of his day not ending well."

Seriously John what are you going to do, go beat him up, have someone beat him up? How in the world could this end well. I've seen situations like this before and the next day the guy came in with his own people who were very capable and that squashed the threats of violence. Point being, what good can come out of this, you threaten him, he feels threatened he plays bad you win money? You threaten him he gets someone who you are threatened by and then there is that hanging around the room.

What he said was wrong, no doubt about it, he said it to Shane and I know that as Shane's backer you represent a large portion of his financial interests, but threatening someone like that is out of line. Do you think you owe Earl an apology for talking to him like that, or is the goal to get him scared and get inside his head?

The thing which frustrates me is that we all know of Earl's antics, and people instigate him in every single city, they come on here and post that they will be at a tournament yelling out things or waiting for an explosion. The man has demon's he needs to deal with, but how would you feel knowing everywhere you go someone is going to be rooting against you and needling you to the point of where you blow up and can't make a living. People doing things just so you blow up and then letting you have it over and over. A lot of people believe he can't help it and needs help.

I don't dispute that you have done good things for pool John by putting Shane up against anyone in the world, I just wonder why threaten someone with physical violence. He apologized to you for the comment, is he due one for a threat?
 
u12armresl said:
I wont deny that What Earl said was in poor taste and not a nice thing to say with anyone.

Why would you (John) threaten earl with
"He can take my threat anyway he wants but he shouldn't take it lightly. I hope he doesn't choose to insult Shane again by saying he wishes he was deaf, but if he does I like his chances of his day not ending well."

Seriously John what are you going to do, go beat him up, have someone beat him up? How in the world could this end well. I've seen situations like this before and the next day the guy came in with his own people who were very capable and that squashed the threats of violence. Point being, what good can come out of this, you threaten him, he feels threatened he plays bad you win money? You threaten him he gets someone who you are threatened by and then there is that hanging around the room.

What he said was wrong, no doubt about it, he said it to Shane and I know that as Shane's backer you represent a large portion of his financial interests, but threatening someone like that is out of line. Do you think you owe Earl an apology for talking to him like that, or is the goal to get him scared and get inside his head?

The thing which frustrates me is that we all know of Earl's antics, and people instigate him in every single city, they come on here and post that they will be at a tournament yelling out things or waiting for an explosion. The man has demon's he needs to deal with, but how would you feel knowing everywhere you go someone is going to be rooting against you and needling you to the point of where you blow up and can't make a living. People doing things just so you blow up and then letting you have it over and over. A lot of people believe he can't help it and needs help.

I don't dispute that you have done good things for pool John by putting Shane up against anyone in the world, I just wonder why threaten someone with physical violence. He apologized to you for the comment, is he due one for a threat?
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If you kept watching the stream, you would of seen that they shook hands and apologized to each other.
 
u12armresl said:
I wont deny that What Earl said was in poor taste and not a nice thing to say with anyone.

Why would you (John) threaten earl with
"He can take my threat anyway he wants but he shouldn't take it lightly. I hope he doesn't choose to insult Shane again by saying he wishes he was deaf, but if he does I like his chances of his day not ending well."

Seriously John what are you going to do, go beat him up, have someone beat him up? How in the world could this end well. I've seen situations like this before and the next day the guy came in with his own people who were very capable and that squashed the threats of violence. Point being, what good can come out of this, you threaten him, he feels threatened he plays bad you win money? You threaten him he gets someone who you are threatened by and then there is that hanging around the room.

What he said was wrong, no doubt about it, he said it to Shane and I know that as Shane's backer you represent a large portion of his financial interests, but threatening someone like that is out of line. Do you think you owe Earl an apology for talking to him like that, or is the goal to get him scared and get inside his head?

The thing which frustrates me is that we all know of Earl's antics, and people instigate him in every single city, they come on here and post that they will be at a tournament yelling out things or waiting for an explosion. The man has demon's he needs to deal with, but how would you feel knowing everywhere you go someone is going to be rooting against you and needling you to the point of where you blow up and can't make a living. People doing things just so you blow up and then letting you have it over and over. A lot of people believe he can't help it and needs help.

I don't dispute that you have done good things for pool John by putting Shane up against anyone in the world, I just wonder why threaten someone with physical violence. He apologized to you for the comment, is he due one for a threat?
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Apologies don't put humpty dumpty back together.

Earl has been doing everything in his power to make sure there is tension in the air. If I was backing shane, I would have said something during the match, not after it.

That said, i'll stay out of this and see what Mars has to say as I highly respect the man.
 
I don't think physical violence is part of this threat.John is an honorable very active backer.If Earl wins or loses he has to stay in action.John has the ability to influence what that action may be and influence others to follow suit.

Earl needs to watch his P's and Q's.

One of the commandments is to not sh..t in your own sand box.

Earl is on very shaky ground.
 
Only a few people know what was said, I am going off what John said happened. He said Earl came over and said sorry and that everything was ok.

I didn't see (doesn't mean it didn't happen) John say sorry for threatening Earl.
 
Maybe because he and along with everyone else is sick of his bullshit.The guy is nuts and am really surprised no one has shut his mouth before.Earl is NOT a professional pool player,a professional RESPECTS the sport and his opponent,Earl DOES NEITHER.I'm glad I was not there because if he even glanced my way,the wrong way,I would NOT take his shit.
As for the match,I hope he goes on tilt and quits.The way he sharked Shane all night just made me sick.Who the F does he think he is?The sport needs to get rid of this piece of S.
 
u12armresl said:
Only a few people know what was said, I am going off what John said happened. He said Earl came over and said sorry and that everything was ok.

I didn't see (doesn't mean it didn't happen) John say sorry for threatening Earl.
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If this were a boxing match, what Earl said was the boxing equivalent of hitting someone below the belt.

Earl apologizing to John Mars is not sufficient. He should directly apologize to Shane for what he said...and also apologize to the fans, as well.
 
Move violence, ya that fixes things.


jimmy-leggs said:
Maybe because he and along with everyone else is sick of his bullshit.The guy is nuts and am really surprised no one has shut his mouth before.Earl is NOT a professional pool player,a professional RESPECTS the sport and his opponent,Earl DOES NEITHER.I'm glad I was not there because if he even glanced my way,the wrong way,I would NOT take his shit.
As for the match,I hope he goes on tilt and quits.The way he sharked Shane all night just made me sick.Who the F does he think he is?The sport needs to get rid of this piece of S.
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I am not sure about the whole apology thing as all that is non of my biz but you are right on that there always seems to be there to get on Earl's nerves. I will give you a quick example of how far that reaches with some people.

We were doing a pool clinic somewhere and we had the 12 students all ready to go. I was collecting the $$ and checking off the names etc before the start. Earl was on the table he would be teaching on doing one of his AMAZING stroke shots. I sent the 6 students that Earl would be working with over to the table and they stood and watched his stroke shots a minute while oohing and aaahhring at what he was doing.

One of the guys says "Thats easy, thats just a simple three rail shot" Earl looks up at him with a confused look and says "No look at what I am doing" and does the shot again. The guy does not back down and says "Yeah, its not that hard of a shot". So Earls says "Go ahead you try it" Well the guy can't even make the object ball let alone spin the ball around three rails from a straight in shot full length of the table. He tries again, not even close. So the guy gets up and says "I am just cold, I can make that its not as hard as you are making it out to be" .

So the clinic starts and every now and then I would hear the guy chime in about the shot and this was bugging Earl to no end and getting him wound up.

So time comes for a clinic break and I go over to the guy and tell him "Listen man, do me a favor and leave Earl alone on that shot, it is a very hard shot and obviously not easy because you can't make it. Its affecting the clinic and getting Earl worked up so leave it alone cos you aren't going to win this argument". The guy looks at me and says "Win the argument? win the argument??? I don't care about winning the argument. I'm arguing with Earl F&*king Strickland. I have already got my $200 worth out of this day its awesome". So goes to show you how some people are.
 
Not one time will you ever hear me question John being honorable.

The will not end well, comment how else can that be taken (in the context of the items surrounding it)

I'm saying as others are saying it was a bad thing to say, but everyone stop with the

"if I was there he wouldn't do that to me" "i wouldn't take his s**T" "we'd be going outside" type stuff and get back to pool.




JMuck said:
I don't think physical violence is part of this threat.John is an honorable very active backer.If Earl wins or loses he has to stay in action.John has the ability to influence what that action may be and influence others to follow suit.

Earl needs to watch his P's and Q's.

One of the commandments is to not sh..t in your own sand box.

Earl is on very shaky ground.
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bfdlad said:
I am not sure about the whole apology thing as all that is non of my biz but you are right on that there always seems to be there to get on Earl's nerves. I will give you a quick example of how far that reaches with some people.
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Sure, there are plently of fans that are angling to get on Earl's nerves. Just as Earl is trying to get on his opponent's nerves with his sharking.

Since you're not sure about the whole apology thing, I take it you don't have a problem with Earl's comment? If so, you're almost as bad as he is for condoning Earl's behavior.
 
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Thank you Bfdlad, that is my point.

IMHO people who specifically target and heckle Earl (much like they do at the snooker arenas) should be removed (they aren't hard to spot, they chime in on anything Earl does) . You can rib a bit, everyone does it, but specifically knowing what you say is going to set someone off trying to get your $200 worth or your $25 worth is just not cool. I'm talking about the people who when he checks the rack start with the comments knowing it will set him on tilt.




bfdlad said:
I am not sure about the whole apology thing as all that is non of my biz but you are right on that there always seems to be there to get on Earl's nerves. I will give you a quick example of how far that reaches with some people.

We were doing a pool clinic somewhere and we had the 12 students all ready to go. I was collecting the $$ and checking off the names etc before the start. Earl was on the table he would be teaching on doing one of his AMAZING stroke shots. I sent the 6 students that Earl would be working with over to the table and they stood and watched his stroke shots a minute while oohing and aaahhring at what he was doing.

One of the guys says "Thats easy, thats just a simple three rail shot" Earl looks up at him with a confused look and says "No look at what I am doing" and does the shot again. The guy does not back down and says "Yeah, its not that hard of a shot". So Earls says "Go ahead you try it" Well the guy can't even make the object ball let alone spin the ball around three rails from a straight in shot full length of the table. He tries again, not even close. So the guy gets up and says "I am just cold, I can make that its not as hard as you are making it out to be" .

So the clinic starts and every now and then I would hear the guy chime in about the shot and this was bugging Earl to no end and getting him wound up.

So time comes for a clinic break and I go over to the guy and tell him "Listen man, do me a favor and leave Earl alone on that shot, it is a very hard shot and obviously not easy because you can't make it. Its affecting the clinic and getting Earl worked up so leave it alone cos you aren't going to win this argument". The guy looks at me and says "Win the argument? win the argument??? I don't care about winning the argument. I'm arguing with Earl F&*king Strickland. I have already got my $200 worth out of this day its awesome". So goes to show you how some people are.
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PoolSharkAllen said:
Sure, there are plently of fans that are angling to get on Earl's nerves. Just as Earl is trying to get on his opponent's nerves with his sharking.

Since you're not sure about the whole apology thing, I take it you don't have a problem with Earl's comment? If so, you're just as bad as he is for condoning his behavior.
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I am saying none of it is my business. I wasn't there, I didn't hear any of it. Mars is a good guy and obviously very protective of Shane. Thats a good thing but has nothing to do with me. i am just reading posts on hear as to what is going on there. I answer and give my thoughts on things I know about or are witness to. Too many times people chime in with different view on something that happened and even the people who were actually there sometime have different accounts of what happened. You seem to know exactly what is going on first hand. Are you there of are you reacting to what you heard or what someone has posted on here??
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Since you're not sure about the whole apology thing, I take it you don't have a problem with Earl's comment? If so, you're just as bad as he is for condoning his behavior.
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Just because bfdlad isn't coming on here and making conclusions about the he said/he said stuff, doesn't mean he (or the rest of us) are condoning what has happened. It just means we weren't there, aren't directly involved, and feel that it isn't right to make and state conclusions on what is right and what isn't. Those conclusions are for Shane, Earl and perhaps John to make.

I'm quite sure bfdlad and most of the rest of us don't appreciate bad behavior. Just because we don't come onto these threads and proclaim the pool world is ending because Earl said something out of line doesn't mean we agree with what Earl is saying...

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the real bottom line to all this is between Earl and Shane. All the hue and cry here on the forums don't mean spit.
 
Good post.

justadub said:
Just because bfdlad isn't coming on here and making conclusions about the he said/he said stuff, doesn't mean he (or the rest of us) are condoning what has happened. It just means we weren't there, aren't directly involved, and feel that it isn't right to make and state conclusions on what is right and what isn't. Those conclusions are for Shane, Earl and perhaps John to make.

I'm quite sure bfdlad and most of the rest of us don't appreciate bad behavior. Just because we don't come onto these threads and proclaim the pool world is ending because Earl said something out of line doesn't mean we agree with what Earl is saying...

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the real bottom line to all this is between Earl and Shane. All the hue and cry here on the forums don't mean spit.
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justadub said:
Just because bfdlad isn't coming on here and making conclusions about the he said/he said stuff, doesn't mean he (or the rest of us) are condoning what has happened. It just means we weren't there, aren't directly involved, and feel that it isn't right to make and state conclusions on what is right and what isn't. Those conclusions are for Shane, Earl and perhaps John to make.
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I wasn't there either but that doesn't change the fact that Earl said what he said. What Earl said was completely unprofessional and completely uncalled for.

Earl owes Shane and the fans a apology.
 
All of this talk is interesting, and I happen to agree that Earl's demeanor is suspect. That said, this is a gambling match, and I remember days gone by where "anything goes" was the rule. Freddy and others have posted about gambling matches where guns were pulled, and threats made (IIRC, one person said, "If you make that shot, I'll shoot you!"). I was never at Detroit Rec or The Rack, but I'm pretty sure that back then, high stakes gambling was however it played out. Every player out there sharked each other, trying to get the cheese. Not saying it's "right"...just that it happened then, and it happens now.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Earl needs help learning respect & manners towards his opponents.
Given his record he needs to be treated with 0 tolerance, 1/2 strike & your out. Straight out the door do not pass go.
It's my belief that then & only then will he open his eyes & maybe straighten up.
Also I wonder if he watches vidieo of himself acting the way he dose?
 
justadub said:
Just because bfdlad isn't coming on here and making conclusions about the he said/he said stuff, doesn't mean he (or the rest of us) are condoning what has happened. It just means we weren't there, aren't directly involved, and feel that it isn't right to make and state conclusions on what is right and what isn't. Those conclusions are for Shane, Earl and perhaps John to make.

I'm quite sure bfdlad and most of the rest of us don't appreciate bad behavior. Just because we don't come onto these threads and proclaim the pool world is ending because Earl said something out of line doesn't mean we agree with what Earl is saying...

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the real bottom line to all this is between Earl and Shane. All the hue and cry here on the forums don't mean spit.
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Thanks Dub, You explain maybe better than I do. I still havn't heard if poolsharkallen is event there or just going by what he heard in the mix of all this.

Anyway, Earl and Shane always seen to get along with each other off the table I have seen this many times with my own eyes. I also have heard Earl tell me how much respect he has for SVB and his game. If Earl said what is being reported here I am sure that he didn't mean it to be hurtful, mean or insulting. Now listen to this before you go off on that statement. I am pretty sure it wasn't meant he chose the wrong words or way to say it. That you can take to the bank. If he said it it was wrong, but I know he would not try to hurt SVB, he likes him too much.

I am not trying to protect Earl either. He deserves a lot of what he brings on himself and should think before he acts sometimes and other times he is justified. He is a tough one to figure out either way.

Shane to me is a great player and a great person to have in the sport. He conducts himself like a Gentleman always and never tries to get into it with anyone. He just plays pool and does it very well. I have a lot of respect for him and as we all know we will be seeing him in the HOF.
 
Scott Lee said:
All of this talk is interesting, and I happen to agree that Earl's demeanor is suspect. That said, this is a gambling match, and I remember days gone by where "anything goes" was the rule. Freddy and others have posted about gambling matches where guns were pulled, and threats made (IIRC, one person said, "If you make that shot, I'll shoot you!"). I was never at Detroit Rec or The Rack, but I'm pretty sure that back then, high stakes gambling was however it played out. Every player out there sharked each other, trying to get the cheese. Not saying it's "right"...just that it happened then, and it happens now.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott, do you want it to become a sport, or the wild west?

Not trying to start something, i'm just asking.
 
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