Earl wins Mosconi Cup MVP...And speaks

[EL'nino]

I am far from the "Pool Police", but in this case Earl embarrassed himself, his teammates, and the US of A. I feel he should no longer be allowed to earn the right to represent America in any international team event for his behavior.

Earl is a great player and based on his ability he deserves his spot on the team, but based on character, definitely not. I feel in a team event, character is a huge factor when representing your country.

As far as Earl's behavior in other tournaments, such as the 2005 US Open against Ralf Souquet, I believe some type of progressive punishment should be adapted in writing to deal with this behavior for all players. Example: 1st offense, warning; 2nd offense, ban from a future event; 3rd offense, ban from multiple events; etc. The important part of this would be that everyone should be aware of these disciplinary actions ahead of time so there are no surprises & that it applies to everyone...not just Earl. Although it could be called the Earl rule .

JMO and suggestions off the top of my head.

Would Kevin T. stand for this behavior on his Tour? I wonder.

What did Earl do against Ralf that would justify punishment? He just didn't try his best.... that's not a crime.

 

[NaClBandit]

What did Earl do against Ralf that would justify punishment? He just didn't try his best.... that's not a crime.

His attitude and behavior were that of a spoiled child, as usual. Worst of all, his undignified performance was in the Cuetec Cue Arena, Cuetec of course being his main sponsor of __ years.

What's worse than a professional "just not trying his best" on the biggest stage in American pool? How about disparaging and insulting his opponent and their style of play after the match. As an admirer of Souquet's class and composure, the interview was painful to watch.

 

[EL'nino]

His attitude and behavior were that of a spoiled child, as usual. Worst of all, his undignified performance was in the Cuetec Cue Arena, Cuetec of course being his main sponsor of __ years.

What's worse than a professional "just not trying his best" on the biggest stage in American pool? How about disparaging and insulting his opponent and their style of play after the match. As an admirer of Souquet's class and composure, the interview was painful to watch.

What's painful to watch is Ralf walk around the table 13 times to shoot a straight in shot 4 inches from the hole. Earls comments at the Mosconie cup are punishable.... but his lack of effort at the Open is not (maybe by Cuetec)

 

[Icon of Sin]

Earl is a jackass. Whether he apologised or not.

However he may deserve the MVP still. The MVP was probably determinded strictly on the matches played and not the conduct of the players. Earl must have displayed the best performance in game and this is what got him the MVP.

However, you will never see Earl get a sportmanship award

 

[NaClBandit]

What's painful to watch is Ralf walk around the table 13 times to shoot a straight in shot 4 inches from the hole. Earls comments at the Mosconie cup are punishable.... but his lack of effort at the Open is not (maybe by Cuetec)

Using exaggerations in your arguments make them less believable. This is blatant hyperbole. Ralf is a methodical, sometimes slow player, no doubt. But the bottom line is there's no shot clock, so he can take as long as he wants within reason.

There are a number of players on tour who play at the same pace. I just watched a Buddy Hall/Keith McCready match last night ('03 US Open) that demonstrated the exact same conflict of paces. Keith didn't let it bother him and he won the match 11-10. He didn't b*tch once.

Earls comments at the Mosconi cup are punishable.... but his lack of effort at the Open is not (maybe by Cuetec)

I agree completely.

Not punishable, but certainly dishonorable.

 

[Njhustler1]

I'd just like to express my outrage at conartists' post. As a member of the tribe, I'm personally offended that he so non-chalantly just dropped it in there. I come on this message board to get a little entertainment and maybe learn a little during the course of the work day. I dont come on here to be reminded of how much anti-semitism still exists in todays world, thanks to bigots like you. I hope you feel happy about ruining a lot of peoples day.

 

[Fat Ivory]

To get back on topic: men who "batter" women apologize to their victims after they calm down, this doesn't make it right or acceptable behavior. Earl has a serious problem that should be dealt with.

Dave

Thanks to everyone who felt as I did about "con's" comment.

How, in the name of everything that's sacred, is your "men who batter" comment getting "back on topic" regarding Earl's behavior? Do you equate felonious battery with insults?
And with all the genuinely vicious problems inflicted by people on society, do you really consider Earl's problem "serious"?

I think Earl has a small problem mouthing off. It's not illegal, it's his right. How do you deal with that?

 

[12squared]

How, in the name of everything that's sacred, is your "men who batter" comment getting "back on topic" regarding Earl's behavior? Do you equate felonious battery with insults?
And with all the genuinely vicious problems inflicted by people on society, do you really consider Earl's problem "serious"?

I think Earl has a small problem mouthing off. It's not illegal, it's his right. How do you deal with that?

Fair enough. I was just trying to make a point about "repeated" unacceptable social behavior (illegal or not) each one followed by an apology. The apology means nothing after a pattern of this behavior is formed and should not be a "get out of jail free card". Earl should have consequences for his actions. I do apologize for the battery reference but it was the first example that came to mind that described how I felt, but of course, the two offenses are not the same. I do volunteer work at the local safehouse for battered women & their children so I guess it was on my mind. I just want Earl to stop being a jack$ss on the public stage. Pool has suffered enough.

And yes, I do consider Earl's "problem" serious, especially when he represents USA in a world stage. Does his behavior reflect how you want to be viewed?

 

[sniper]

What kind of action/punishment are u suggesting?

I would suggest a physchological evaluation, then anger management classes, then a trip to the doctor to get some PMS medication, then some of those $100/hour therapy sessions

 

[Fat Ivory]

Does his behavior reflect how you want to be viewed?

Well yes, IF he was justified. Without the whole story of what prompted his outburst, impossible to say.

 

[TheConArtist]

Just an expression?

Just an expression? So you still equate, even on your revised "expression" that cheating is something that Jews are associated with?

I was going to type something very very nasty about your racist bigoted comment, and your weak and feeble attempt to justify it, but I will just let your stupidity shine through in your threads.

BTW, I am personally very offended. That fact that you continue to find nothing wrong with what you typed is even more vile.

how is what i typed even more vile? Lol, if it bothered you that much you should of said something to me PM or something and i would of deleted the post, me being Native American i have heard worse things said to me and about our culture but i guess its just my sense of humor, cause i am too proud to let it get me down. But like i said if it did really bother you then i am sorry.

 

[Njhustler1]

My guess is you probably just dont know anyone who's jewish. You grew up in an isolated part of america where ignorance is bliss. since you never met any, you never thought for a moment that there might be some of us on the AZB, which is probably your only outlet to the outside world. We're living in 2005. Get with the times buddy.

 

[rackmsuckr]

I agree that this was something TheConArtist should not have posted. Like I have said earlier, he is probably one of those socially enept 'd#mned foreigners'. This is funny. ConArtist is a Native American! Just like the oriental who got a deer license and thought that he purchased the right to hunt deer on anyone's property, and thus the right to kill anyone who was hunting him.

I say this tongue in cheek, but we have TheConArtist and then we have Earl!, both socially enept people who we need to pray for.

Just to jump into the fray...the pc word now is Asian, not Oriental. This man was Hmong. I have been called everything from Chink to Jap and I guess I am one of those inept damned foreigners, but I overlook the Oriental part. I just call myself Ornamental.

On topic - Earl knows what most people think - it is much easier to get forgiveness than permission.

 

[Tbeaux]

Just to jump into the fray...the pc word now is Asian, not Oriental. This man was Hmong. I have been called everything from Chink to Jap and I guess I am one of those inept damned foreigners, but I overlook the Oriental part. I just call myself Ornamental.

On topic - Earl knows what most people think - it is much easier to get forgiveness than permission.

I like Oriental better than asian, it sounds more exotic (I like "exotic" even better). Ornamental....hmm......sounds good but don't let N.O.W. know, they'd accuse you of having low self worth.

And also on topic...Earl done alright! Sorry he lost it on the first day but those things DO kinda happen when you're taking meds.

Terry< has no great thing for Earl, but respects and understands what he's dealing with.

 

[Timberly]

And also on topic...Earl done alright! Sorry he lost it on the first day but those things DO kinda happen when you're taking meds.

Terry< has no great thing for Earl, but respects and understands what he's dealing with.

If he's taking meds, he's getting ripped off cause they ain't working. The nickname for most meds that most people are on is "Happy pills". If he's taking happy pills, he's having a reverse reaction.

 

[Tbeaux]

If he's taking meds, he's getting ripped off cause they ain't working. The nickname for most meds that most people are on is "Happy pills". If he's taking happy pills, he's having a reverse reaction.

It's not that simple. The meds for the treatment of bi-polar disorder can have bad effects on the way you function. Over medicate and you become completely ineffective at what you are doing. Under medicate or forget to take meds and you get major mood swings. He does need to get a better handle on the meds though, others will tolerate only so much.

Terry

 

[Nostroke]

If he's taking meds, he's getting ripped off cause they ain't working. The nickname for most meds that most people are on is "Happy pills". If he's taking happy pills, he's having a reverse reaction.

Happy Pills are anti depressants. I dont think many players are using them.

Pain Pills I think are #1 at the moment. Quite a few like to play on Pot too which i find weird. Then Speed i suppose would be third and the most likely to produce volatile reactions.

 

[vagabond]

I would suggest a physchological evaluation, then anger management classes, then a trip to the doctor to get some PMS medication, then some of those $100/hour therapy sessions

The things u are suggesting cost lots of money.Do you want to see him bankrupt? Be fair. Please suggest something else.

 

[vagabond]

Happy Pills are anti depressants. I dont think many players are using them.

Quite a few like to play on Pot too which i find weird.

Here in Mendocino county where I live, smoking pot,with a certificate from a physician, is legal.Lots of people grow marjuana here but there are rules governing how many plants one can have in their backyard.I heard there are lots of meth labs also,though not legal.

 

[Fleece3]

His attitude and behavior were that of a spoiled child, as usual. Worst of all, his undignified performance was in the Cuetec Cue Arena, Cuetec of course being his main sponsor of __ years.

What's worse than a professional "just not trying his best" on the biggest stage in American pool? How about disparaging and insulting his opponent and their style of play after the match. As an admirer of Souquet's class and composure, the interview was painful to watch.

All he said about Souquet's game was "he plays to slow". I have the UPA championship on tape where Deuel said the EXACT same thing about Kid Delicious. In fact he said "it is like wacthing paint dry". Why didn't Deuel get the same venom as Earl.

Have we forgotten that the very next day, Earl came back to win 8 straight matches on the losers side. And on the final day, was the ONLY american still standing. He finished fourth. All without incident. I would say that he tried pretty damn hard!!! And save ONE match, did his sponsor proud!!

P.S. I don't know if you remember. However a few years and at the US OPEN (I am talking golf here) Sergio Gracia put his PAINFULLY slow play on display. The GALLERIES actually started SCREAMING "Hit the F**KING Ball". THAT was funny!!