# Easy 8B puzzle! ( taken from a real match )

#### Texas Carom Club

##### 9ball did to billiards what hiphop did to america
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Nope. Never did as a matter of fact. Don't like the ethic. I get my winning fix vicariously from the great shooters.
kool

#### DistinguishedBilliards

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What if about this: 1-2-rail out to the 6 slow roll the side shot. Up table the 5. Stop shot the 4, Cut the 7 seven in the side and three rail over to the eight. Then shoot the eight up table with position and the rail lock his 12 and offset the the bank if you miss and if you miss the eight ball leave for a shot at it just safety the 12 or am I Hero shooting this one.?

#### easy-e

##### AzB Silver Member
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What if about this: 1-2-rail out to the 6 slow roll the side shot. Up table the 5. Stop shot the 4, Cut the 7 seven in the side and three rail over to the eight. Then shoot the eight up table with position and the rail lock his 12 and offset the the bank if you miss and if you miss the eight ball leave for a shot at it just safety the 12 or am I Hero shooting this one.?
Saving the breakout for last is not advisable.

#### Luxury

##### AzB Silver Member
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A)pocketing the 7, but then hitting the rail pushing out the 8. Possibly going for the 1 next. But the 1,2 are open. Depending where the 8 lands. Possible run is then 1,2,6,4,5 or 5,4 then 8 also 1,6,2,4,5,8

I believe you’re the first person that importantly noted that you make the seven first and then hit the rail before hitting the eight I would even use some left spin to really make sure I bump into the eight. I would bet 100 out of 100 pros would play the seven first but hey I’m only a 618

#### fastone371

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D) OTHER= Moving 8 away from 12 ball and rail while pocketing 7 ball then playing 1, 6, 2, 5, 4, to get position on 8 in top LH pocket (as pictured)

To me it seems risky playing the 6 after pocketing while 7 and moving the 8 or 12 ball, it doesn't look like the 6 goes past the 5 in bottom right pocket (as pictured) If you pocket the 7 then hit the right side of the 8 (at about 1-2 o'clock) coming off of the rail the cue ball moves up table slightly for an easy shot on the 1, from there there are no tricky position shots.

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#### stumpie71

##### AzB Silver Member
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Didn't read the other replies, if for some reason I wasn't comfortable with moving the 8 then I'm playing safe with the 5 ball and tucking the cb as close to the 6 as I can. The 5 would be down table which would allow me to play short side position easier. I do like the safe option but would lean towards running out.

#### Zerksies

##### Well-known member
D) OTHER= Moving 8 away from 12 ball and rail while pocketing 7 ball then playing 1, 6, 2, 5, 4, to get position on 8 in top LH pocket (as pictured)

To me it seems risky playing the 6 after pocketing while 7 and moving the 8 or 12 ball, it doesn't look like the 6 goes past the 5 in bottom right pocket (as pictured) If you pocket the 7 then hit the right side of the 8 (at about 1-2 o'clock) coming off of the rail the cue ball moves up table slightly for an easy shot on the 1, from there there are no tricky position shots.
Pretty much what I’ve said. I’ve accounted for variables in getting bad shape on balls. The big thing is pocketing the 7 and pushing the 8 past the 12. The table is open. These other guys are not taking care of the problems at all. They are leaving it till later. The 7 is a free shot

#### easy-e

##### AzB Silver Member
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Pretty much what I’ve said. I’ve accounted for variables in getting bad shape on balls. The big thing is pocketing the 7 and pushing the 8 past the 12. The table is open. These other guys are not taking care of the problems at all. They are leaving it till later. The 7 is a free shot
The way I see it (besides the obvious need to break out the 8-ball) the 4 and 5 balls are the only balls requiring good position. Why is it a horrible idea to play those immediately and be perfect of the 7 ball? It basically leaves you three hangers to pick your pattern based on where the 8 ends up. I play a TON of bar table 8-ball and I doubt I'd consider shooting it any other way.

#### u12armresl

##### One Pocket back cutter
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I'm playing 5, 4, then 7 with the breakout. Depending on where the 8 ends up, I'll tell you the rest of the pattern.
Take Zerskies response with a grain of salt. I at least know how you play and it's pretty good.
He has 2 broken arms from all the patting on the back.

#### u12armresl

##### One Pocket back cutter
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What if about this: 1-2-rail out to the 6 slow roll the side shot. Up table the 5. Stop shot the 4, Cut the 7 seven in the side and three rail over to the eight. Then shoot the eight up table with position and the rail lock his 12 and offset the the bank if you miss and if you miss the eight ball leave for a shot at it just safety the 12 or am I Hero shooting this one.?
Rule #1 of 8 ball, get the problem ball out of the way when you can.

#### Johnny Rosato

##### AzB Silver Member
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D ~ 5, 4, then 7 moving the 8 out.
Then 1, 2, then 6 getting on the 8.

#### easy-e

##### AzB Silver Member
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D ~ 5, 4, then 7 moving the 8 out.
Then 1, 2, then 6 getting on the 8.
Brilliant!

#### Zerksies

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Take Zerskies response with a grain of salt. I at least know how you play and it's pretty good.
He has 2 broken arms from all the patting on the back.
I don't see you contributing to the discussion. Only insulting people.

And I'm agreeing with you. GET THE PROBLEM OUT OF THE WAY.

#### Texas Carom Club

##### 9ball did to billiards what hiphop did to america
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Rule #1 of 8 ball, get the problem ball out of the way when you can.
asap or i stop trying to help the guy beat me lol

#### easy-e

##### AzB Silver Member
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I don't see you contributing to the discussion. Only insulting people.

And I'm agreeing with you. GET THE PROBLEM OUT OF THE WAY.
There is more than one problem on the table, not just the obvious one. I think I (and a lot of other people) can run this table out 12 different ways. I feel the easiest is by eliminating the 5,4, then breaking out the 8. Trying to get on the 4 and 5 later from the 6 could prove troublesome if you get a little out of line. Then it gets harder every shot.

#### Fore Rail

##### AzB Silver Member
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Will give this a try when I can. Probably playing the 6 first then the 5,4 & 7 moving the 8 into a more playable position. I like playing safe as I go in these situations as the 8 does provide a little cover on the 12.

#### Luxury

##### AzB Silver Member
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The problem for me with taking the five four first is I can imagine scenarios where you either leave the cue ball near the rail or leave an angle on the seven where you have to hit hard for the break out. Shooting off the rail and speed kills.

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#### Island Drive

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I want to Know at the beginning of my run out, where the 8 ball will be after cutting the 7 in the side, I don't want the 8 on the bottom rail PERIOD.
The key to this beginning shot wins the game.
I'll use a 12 o'clock high rolling cue ball cut shot bumping the 7 out slightly.
With BIH I'm ''making sure'' I hit the seven on it's near back side.
Taking any other shot first, has much higher risk because you'll never be able to get the EXACT perfect/controllable rolling cue ball cut shot off the 7 into the 8 ''bump out''.

#### Luxury

##### AzB Silver Member
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I want to Know at the beginning of my run out, where the 8 ball will be after cutting the 7 in the side, I don't want the 8 on the bottom rail PERIOD.
The key to this beginning shot wins the game.
I'll use a 12 o'clock high rolling cue ball cut shot bumping the 7 out slightly.
With BIH I'm ''making sure'' I hit the seven on it's near back side.
Taking any other shot first, has much higher risk because you'll never be able to get the EXACT perfect/controllable rolling cue ball cut shot off the 7 into the 8 ''bump out''.

Couldn’t agree more

#### Swighey

##### AzB Silver Member
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Hmm, just run out and the key ball is the 4 or 6 to get position on the 8 into the long corner. No brainer.

The other way (break out the 8 early) is maybe preferable if the table is particularly fast or slow.