Ebay Cue

Wow. I think that might be it!

In addition to the difference in the joint rings, the butt looks shorter than the shaft. It's hard to tell because of the way the seller took the pictures, they are all at angles, but it does look like the butt is short.

The cue is also listed at 57". I believe the Palmer was made at 58".

Maybe it was even done without lengthening the handle? Gain a little length by widening the dashed joint ring, and accept a little loss to call it a 57" cue.

If I have time I'll photoshop an inch out of a Palmer picture for comparison, but right now just eyeballing it, it looks like taking a little over an inch out and then making it an even inch by widening the ring would put the points right where we find them on the mystery cue.

I am really intrigued by this. It looks to be just as subdude1974 said.


Could still be a "good cue", but it makes the value issue awkward. It sure is striking with those long points.



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looking again at the pics.. it does it like it may have been a longer cue at one point.. if you look close at the first pic where the shaft is much longer then the butt, the tip is at next to the bumber where the shaft collar is all the way out as far as the tip of the joint pin.. leeds me to believe the shaft is longer..

looks like it could be a palmer pb-6 but with a repaired joint..

chris
 
Chopdoc said:
...The cue is also listed at 57". I believe the Palmer was made at 58".
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I didn't even notice that it was listed as a 57" cue! My '70's era Palmer is a
58". It's still a cool looking cue. Would love to see your Photoshop version if you get the chance.
 
If Palmer, more than an inch or 2 was taken ay at the joint. I would say 3-4. Again, whomever gets it, I hope I am wrong.
 
subdude1974 said:
...more than an inch or 2 was taken ay at the joint. I would say 3-4.
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I think you are probably correct on that point as well, but your estimate is just a little high based on all the pics on the Ebay ad and the 2 links I posted at reply
#20. Looks like about 2 1/2". It's possible the handle was lengthened under the wrap, but probably not based on the length. If it were my cue, I believe I would install a nice ferrule and make the shaft the same length as the butt. Then sell it to a short player :)
 
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EDIT: THIS POST IS WRONG! I had to have been off by about a half inch, I don't know how I did that, but it sure looks like it. I was working fast...I don't know what I did, but I screwed it up, sorry guys!


Sorry I didn't have time for a real photoshup. What I did was to calculate the number of pixels in the available photos, find where the new stainless joint collar would be if the cue were shortened one inch, then calculate where the dashed ring would end.

The only thing we really don't know is how thick the ring is on the mystery cue. I took the liberty of estimating it to be 1/4 inch thicker than the Palmer ring, then counted the appropriate number of pixels.

It's not pretty, but it's pretty darned accurate if we figure the butt is 1 inch shorter and the dashed ring is 1/4 inch thicker than stock. What we end up with looks almost exactly like where the points end on the mystery cue!

Please don't pick on me, I know it is amateurish, but it is accurate to the pixel for where the ring would end relative to the points. I just didn't have time for a proper photoshop of it. I know the dashes are off, but the bottom of the ring relative to the end of the points is all I cared about.

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I justy realized there is a pic available in almost the exact same orientation! I could have done that one! :eek::o


If I have time I'll to the one in the matching orientation so you can get a netter comparison, but trust me, so far, as far as I can tell, shortening the butt one inch would give what we see in the mystery cue!



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I looked at seller's other items and saw several other "unknown cue makers" for sale, which left me with a big question mark. My guess is he does know the cue maker, and wanted to make a bit more cash out of paid price for those cues. They are nice, sure, but I'd stay away from bidding too much.
 
That cue is doing well in the auction.

I have already stated that one of his other cues is a Lishan...a Taiwan cue...



My gut tells me there is no deception going on, it's just an honest sale.
 
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I think it depends on what you're after, but for most people in general such cues are not a great idea.

There are a couple people around here, generally inexperienced, that have been playing around with "cheap" unknowns and trying to flip them. Buying cues they know little or nothing about and then scrambling to figure it out. It gets a bit monotonous.

I was very curious about that first one in the post above. I have seen one somewhere before but can't remember where.

If you see such cues at a flea market or garage sale for cheap BUY THEM. You can flip them easy on Ebay and those two auctions above show you the money they can bring.

If you walk by it and scoff "old Taiwan cue" at the garage sale, you may have just walked away from a C-Note or two.

For most people I think buying such a cue on Ebay is the wrong idea. You can get a JOSS for less than that on Ebay! In fact one just sold for about $85. I have seen perfect condition D-Seies McDermotts sell for under $100!

If you are just playing around with "curiosities" and have the money to burn, then go for it. I play around with cheap cues because it's fun and I get them cheap....I sure as heck don't pay those prices. If I sold out all of my "cheap cues" on Ebay I can promise you that I would make a huge percentage profit on them. There is no chance I would lose a dime.


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That cue is really pulling some strong bidding. It will be interesting to see where it ends up especially in light of the observations in this thread.



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Chopdoc said:
The other unknown he has for sale is a Lishan cue, import made by Kao-Kao.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awesome-cus...ultDomain_0&hash=item232051f0e7#ht_500wt_1364

Price is amazingly high for such a cue so early in the auction. I wonder if somebody thinks it's something else and that's why the bidding is so high so fast?


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Or having people they know bid on it to drive it up
hoping on a sucker and if nobody bites they keep the cue anyways and try again later down the road.
 
Auction Ended.

Wow...$460 for a repaired busted cue! 26 bids. Excuse me...I got a few cues to break. :smash:
 
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