Efren's "palm push" shot? What? YouTube video inside

Sid Waddell

StevenPWaldon said:
I'd love to see him commentate some snooker games. That'd be a riot.

You should hear him do darts. From an interview http://sport.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,966596,00.html

What's the most important thing about being a commentator?

Well, the thing about darts is that it's a sport where the better the players, the more repetitive the process becomes. So it helps to have loony commentators like me who are able to alter the perspective, to build the drama that the viewers may not be aware of, or to just make them laugh. You have to be able to keep the anorak happy, but you also have to keep Joe Public aware of the drama and significance, all the while doing the mathematical probability for them.

So many to choose from, Sid, but what's your best-ever line?

[Thinks for three seconds, then booms] "He's up where that leopard was on Kilimanjaro." It baffled everyone, because there's a story behind it. Kilamanjaro is a snow-capped mountain in Africa, of course, a brilliant paradox. The Masai call its western summit Ngai Ngai, meaning the house of the gods, because it's 24,500ft high. Now, a perfectly frozen carcass of a snow leopard was found at that height, and no one has ever been able to explain what was doing up there. Nobody else knew what the hell I was talking aboot.

Erm, what were you talking about?

The point I was making was that Phil Taylor was like that snow leopard, in that he's gone to places with darts that no one else has ever been able to reach.


http://mrankin.home.cern.ch/mrankin/Waddell.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Waddell
 
commentator

If you ever watch darts on sky sports it's the same guy.I don't play darts but I can watch it because hes so pumped up you can help but get in to it too.
 
After that match there was a clip of O'Sullivan running 147 in snooker in 5 minutes. Amazing cue ball control. First time I ever watched a snooker match.
 
bigg7 said:
If you ever watch darts on sky sports it's the same guy.I don't play darts but I can watch it because hes so pumped up you can help but get in to it too.

Now I know who you're talking about. That guy's voice is unreal. Don't think I could take him commentating a pool match.

Flex
 
Flex said:
Great shot!

I wonder what the BCA instructors would say about that shot?? :D Did he drop his elbow? Were his stroke mechanics in line? Was he firmly planted in the requisite stance? Etc. Etc..... :D

Probably would get a firm rap upon his knuckles for that palm shot!

Flex

Flex,
I learned that shot from a BCA instructor.
 
First time I heard SID was during the 2002 Mosconi Cup. I remember this lines,

"It's so quiet you can hear a pi... no you can hear a flake of the chalk drop...."

I almost died laughing. He does get a little annoying, but I must admit, he does add excitement as well.
 
Flex said:
Cool! Glad to hear that!

Flex,
Actually, there were 2 BCA instructors who set up the shot as a "quiz", it was solved correctly by AZB's own zeeder using the palm push shot. Now where he learned it is anybody's guess.
 
Williebetmore said:
Flex,
Actually, there were 2 BCA instructors who set up the shot as a "quiz", it was solved correctly by AZB's own zeeder using the palm push shot. Now where he learned it is anybody's guess.

I read in another thread (unable to locate it right now) that Colin Colenso asked one of the BCA instructors on here who developed their lesson format, or something like that. The answer given was something along the line that there was no mandated teaching method, and that each instructor used what they thought best. However, what I've heard from not a few BCA instructors varies a bit from that line. It sounds like there are some really good ones out there, and I suppose the key is to find one if you're looking for lessons.

Having taken lessons of different sorts from more than a half dozen fellows, and having digested innumerable books and videos, I've learned to think outside the box. At this point, I'm open to listening to any good player on how to do certain things, and especially watch them closely. All the more so for semipros and pros.

That palm shot will find it's way into my quiver.

Thanks for the back and forth Willie.

Flex
 
GADawg said:
I watched this shot several times and other than being amazed, I could not figure out how the cue was supported with the bridge hand.

Can anybody explain?

He was using a normal bridge...he sets the butt of the cue on the table and pushes it instead of holding it....LOLz...if it's not a foul then it's pretty inventive of him....;)

Icon of Sin said:
First time I heard SID was during the 2002 Mosconi Cup. I remember this lines,

"It's so quiet you can hear a pi... no you can hear a flake of the chalk drop...."

I almost died laughing. He does get a little annoying, but I must admit, he does add excitement as well.
I think he's hilarious to listen too...
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StevenPWaldon said:
Absolutely Incredible! I know Efren always shows us something new, but this is ridiculous! A true genius. (look for it at the second rack, on the 9-ball)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EKrzOFNGLk
Jerry Briesath was demonstrating a similar stroke at a BCA Trade Show about ten years ago. Bob Byrne described it in one of his articles, and it's listed in sort of a catalog of strokes at http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2005-11.pdf (also see http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2005-10.pdf )
 
Mike Massey made a shot on one of those Trick Shot Magic shows where he used this stroke. The challenge was to draw off a ball that was about 1/4" from the cue ball the length of the table without miscueing. He layed his stick on the table and hit it with his palm and did it with ease.
Even though his opponent had never seen the shot and Mike had to help him set it up, he made it as well on his first try, so I do not think that this is neccessarily a difficult shot.
I will have to give this a try before I play my next session. Perhaps this has its uses in one pocket...
 
jjr183 said:
Mike Massey made a shot on one of those Trick Shot Magic shows where he used this stroke. The challenge was to draw off a ball that was about 1/4" from the cue ball the length of the table without miscueing. He layed his stick on the table and hit it with his palm and did it with ease.
Even though his opponent had never seen the shot and Mike had to help him set it up, he made it as well on his first try, so I do not think that this is neccessarily a difficult shot.
I will have to give this a try before I play my next session. Perhaps this has its uses in one pocket...

In his book, Mike Massey says he learned it from Jerry Briesath. Don't know who that is, but it makes it sounds like it's been around longer than Efren.
 
yeah, but did either one of them try it out in a tournament?

but then again, efren made that shot when yang had already scored the win so there was probably no pressure on efren there....
 
Flex said:
Great shot!

I wonder what the BCA instructors would say about that shot?? :D Did he drop his elbow? Were his stroke mechanics in line? Was he firmly planted in the requisite stance? Etc. Etc..... :D

Probably would get a firm rap upon his knuckles for that palm shot!

Flex

We actually teach that type of shot in one of our classes. I learnt it from a BCA Instructor 40 years ago.

Too bad you don't know what you don't know.....SPF=randyg..BCA Master Instructor
 
randyg said:
We actually teach that type of shot in one of our classes. I learnt it from a BCA Instructor 40 years ago.

Glad to hear it! All the more power to you!

Flex
 
randyg said:
We actually teach that type of shot in one of our classes. I learnt it from a BCA Instructor 40 years ago.

im just curious...in what context do you teach that shot? is there a situation where using that shot would be more advisable that just getting the bridge?
 
Some of us just hate using the bridge, Efren included.

Renegade said:
randyg said:
We actually teach that type of shot in one of our classes. I learnt it from a BCA Instructor 40 years ago.

im just curious...in what context do you teach that shot? is there a situation where using that shot would be more advisable that just getting the bridge?
 
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