Egotistical Jerk Who's Stuck in the Past....(long)

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I would have to say that tonight was probably one of the ugliest experiences I've had playing pool in the last few years. It's been more than half a day, but I'm still fuming over it.

A person that I play with quite frequently, him and I are friends. But this guy is known as a loudmouth. Off the table him and I are pretty cool, he doesn't get loud with me or anything like that. He's got alot of money, and he knows that I'm in college and don't have that much money, so we play one pocket and keep the stakes cheap. It's usually $5-10$ per game, or a race to 3 for $25.

One thing I find extremely annoying, is that he is stuck in the past about his game. He always talks about how good he used to play. I came to learn that his past is a bunch of bullcrap. People who have been around the poolhall as long as him, say that he has always played the same. He never played any better than he does now. He always goes on and on about if he was in stroke, he could beat everyone there, yadayadayada....you get the picture.

Earlier tonight I came in to practice by myself, and he was there being his usual loudmouth self with everyone else. Saying that he would bet thousands with anyone, blah blah. When a good player would inquire about that, he would ask for the stone cold nuts, of course. So I start practicing some one pocket banks and moves. He asks me to play, and I say sure, and we decide to play $10 per game 1-hole.

Before I go any further, just to give you an idea of how him and I are in skill contrast- he can't beat me in 9ball, he would probably need the 7ball. In straight pool, we've only played it twice and I beat him pretty bad both times. In big-table 8ball, he's got no chance. In one pocket, he can beat me even. He knows the game fairly well. He just doesn't have the stroke to execute. If he had a good stroke, he would probably drill me in one pocket. I'm trying hard to learn the game, but he's got alot more experience and knowledge than me in this game. The only reason I win games against him is because I can run balls. But he definately has the edge in this game.

So the first game starts, he breaks. We plays safes back and forth, I bank a ball into the stack towards my hole and leave him in a trap. He sells out and I run five. I bank a ball towards my hole and leave him in a trap again, he sells out and I run out. At this time we are having fun, keeping it friendly, and I feel like I am playing decent. He starts talking to the railbirds, saying "Oh he's playing good today, anyone wanna sidebet?" He gets two takers. One of them is a another friend of mine, and the other one is an accquaintence. The next thing I know, they are each putting $20 on me per game.

The last time side action got involved when him and I were playing, things got a little ugly between him and one of the railbirds. I was a little hesitant, because I just had a gut feeling that I was gonna end up in a serious match and there was gonna be some pressure, because I knew that whether I won or lose, the bets were gonna keep getting raised. I didn't really feel like dealing with all that at the time. The problem is this got the attention of most of the people in the room, so I didn't want to back down and spoil the action. The next game I played good again, and beat him by a score of 8-3.

Now his pride was hurt. He's in his own little world when it comes to him and one pocket. He thinks that he is some wizard of the game with infinte knowledge. Surely no mortal can defeat him at his best game. So he starts getting really loud, saying that he can't play 'his game' because the bets weren't high enough. That's always his excuse when he loses. Either the bet's not high enough, he's tired, he's too drunk, his shoulder is hurt, you name it. So they raise the sidebets to $50 per game.

Great, now I'm probably gonna be stuck in the middle of this for the next few hours. I just wanted to practice, but since his ego is hurt, he has to explain why I beat him. No matter how good I play anytime I beat him in 1-hole, ne never acknowledges it. He only points out how bad he played, and the reason why he played bad. Shit, last week I ran a beautiful 8 and out against him from nowhere. Did he say nice out? No, he said "You were lucky that ball rolled there and you got a shot there blah blah blah". I think you are getting the picture of what type of guy he is.

So the next game commences, and he starts doing his usual loudmouth routine. Talking while I'm shooting, talking SHIT while I'm shooting, twirling his cue, making loud whooping noises, etc. I get to a pretty good lead. I have 5 and he has 2, and I have a long spot shot with automatic shape on the next ball, and another ball after that. So basically I was shooting game ball. So what does he do? Right when I'm about to shoot, he says "None of you guys will bet anything worthwhile, that's why I'm stuck playing p*ssies like him". I know he's talking about me. I get up off my shot, look at him, and tell him to cool it. "I don't mind the jokes, but you're starting to cross the line" I said, while glaring at him. He laughs and says he was just kidding. I get back down to shoot, and I'm about to pull the trigger. I hear him say in a lower tone "it's okay, he's gonna miss". And wouldn't you know it, I miss the shot, kiss off a ball and scratch.

Suddenly I get this feeling of intense anger. My heart started pounding, I could feel the blood rushing to my head. I mean DAMN I haven't gotten that mad in a long time. But I managed to keep from throwing my cue at him. Meanwhile he's laughing and taunting the railbirds because he's got ball in hand and the table is wide open. He runs a few balls, then ducks. Before I shoot again, I say "Just don't say anything when I'm shooting. You got no respect." I get down, to shoot, and now he's talking to one of his friends. His back is turned towards me, and he's talking really loud. I try not to let it get to me, but I hit the ball bad, and sell out again. He runs out.

Now he knows that he's got in my head. I'm so angry that I can barely hold my cue steady. The thing about me is that I am the quiet and reserved type, especially when playing pool. I play like a gentleman, try to be a good sport, and I always try not to distract someone when they are shooting, etc. I'm also not the violent type. I'm pretty good at controlling my temper. If and when I get emotional, I just take a break and calm down. So I go to the bathroom and wash my hands, and then I take a break and try to relax. One of the guys who was sidebetting on me walks up to me, and starts telling me that I need to block all that stuff out and just play my game. I tell him that I can usually deal with noise and distractions, but when he was talking about me and called me a p*ssy, that just pissed me off beyond belief. I'm sitting at the other end of the room, and I cant decide if I want to keep playing. I get a phone call and go outside. I come back in, and the person who was betting on me had a talk with my opponent. He told him that I was complaining about him sharking me, and insults, etc.

Now here is the kicker. He comes up to me and talks to me, and tries to start lecturing me on certain shots that I did wrong in the game we just played! (he thinks that he is teaching me the game when he plays against me). I tell him that I know what I did wrong on the shots, and then I say "But I can't execute a shot if YOU get me pissed off to the point where I can barely hold my f***ing cue!!!" I point out to him how rude that he was being. I agree that I'll keep playing if he stops acting like that. I tell him "Look, all I want from you is the same respect that I show you". Then he tells me how weak mentally I am, and that it's just a game, and that I'm only betting $10. I bring up the fact that even though I'm barely betting anything, OTHER PEOPLE ARE, and they are betting on me. I don't want to end up losing their money because my opponents antics got in my head and I dog it or something.

So we agree to keep playing, and he gives me the impression that he will stop with the antics. The next game I regain my focus, and I get a huge lead, up 5-1 in ball count. My opponent does have me in a pretty good trap, however. I play a defensive shot, but leave him an easy bank. If he makes it, he will get alot of balls. He dogs the bank, and loses the cueball, and leaves me an easy 3-ball run. As I'm approaching the table, he says "I dogged it. But at least I'm not crying!" gesturing towards me. Now the thought of violence crosses my mind. Just then I get this image, of me getting in a fistfight over a stupid friggin game. I let the urge subside, I look at my opponent, and say "**** you. This is the last time we play". I run the remaining balls and unscrew.

He left and didn't say a word, even as he payed me and the sidebettors. It's sad that such a small amount of money, and such a huge ego, can ruin a friendship. Usually by this time I'm pretty calm about something that pissed me off hours ago. But right now I feel like I should have punched him.
 
Good for you...

For not knocking that jackass out. I can take allot of sharking, until someone makes it personal. And, I agree that you should never play that guy again. Why ruin your good time?!?
 
I agree dont play him,i mean its not worth your time,i mean if a guy wont shut his yap then and wont stop sharking then dont play him.The only thing wrong was not getting up off the shot when he was sharking you and saying sit down and shut up so we can continue this or were finished.I used to just shoot when im sharked but i have been practicing more to be disciplined and get back up and go through my routine all over again,just some advice.I love 1 hole too,next time if you happen to play tell him where a muzzle and a straight jacket.:)
 
I have played guys like this before and you really have 2 options.1) Never play him again....if he spoils the fun in the game for you, he isnt worth messing with. Or 2) keep playing him and bust him. Guys like this let ego get involved and sooner or later you will make a huge score off the guy because his ego gets in the way. Ofcourse, it takes a strong minded person to be able to put up with his antics and stay focused......but if you can pass that test, it will help you in other situaions (i.e. loud music playing, some drunk ranting, etc.). Besides, it sounds like to me that you may be equal to or better than this guy in skill, you were ahead just about every game. Good luck.

Southpaw
 
Just keep resetting and going through your routine until he stops talking, no matter how long it takes. He'll get the idea and the side-betters will make him shut up just so you'll shoot. Taking longer will help calm you down too.
 
Wow...

I'm pissed off just reading it. I can let a lot of stuff go but trying to get a laugh in public at my expense is my absolute trigger. If it's me and you cracking on each other for fun, cool. During a match and someone starts getting personal like that and they ain't my best friend or brother, I'd of had to smack his face off and asked him how funny is it now. You did the right thing...I just don't think I could of. Once I get that head rush and my ears get hot it's usually over.
 
I think you need to keep playing him.

First, your skin will only get thicker as you put up with the antics, which will only help you in future match-ups with other players. You will learn to keep your even temperament at all times, which is a good skill to have, even outside of pool. You know what to expect now, so learn to deal with it. It won't be the last time you see a player like him. It's good mental training, and it sounds like you'll get paid to train. I know it's tough to intentionally put yourself in a position to deal with this SOS (sack of shit), but it'll make you a stronger player (and person) in the long run.

Second, let him be the one who quits you. In other words, bust him. Let him know that you're just betting his own money back at him. Then bust him again. And again.

-djb
 
You done good IMO. I had a similar run in with somebody (no $$$ involved), I haven't spoken to him since and don't intend to. I'd give you the same advice, pretend he doesn't exists. It may seem petty, but you just don't need him in your life. In my case, he was never my friend just an acquantance so it was easy for me to ignore him, might be harder for you where he was your friend.
 
I'm amazed that you could have ever been friendly with this guy. I think you did the right thing though, and fair play to you keeping control of yourself like that. I'm not sure I would've been able to & I pride myself on ignoring stuff like that.

If you ever play him again aim to send him home with an empty wallet!
 
DoomCue said:
I think you need to keep playing him.

First, your skin will only get thicker as you put up with the antics, which will only help you in future match-ups with other players. You will learn to keep your even temperament at all times, which is a good skill to have, even outside of pool. You know what to expect now, so learn to deal with it. It won't be the last time you see a player like him. It's good mental training, and it sounds like you'll get paid to train. I know it's tough to intentionally put yourself in a position to deal with this SOS (sack of shit), but it'll make you a stronger player (and person) in the long run.

Second, let him be the one who quits you. In other words, bust him. Let him know that you're just betting his own money back at him. Then bust him again. And again.

-djb

Tap Tap

If you are going to be a money player this is a great eduction and you are getting paid to learn self control and focus. Never show your weakness(s) emotionally or at playability. Never let you opponent control you mentally. And last but not least......"Bust Him" ..........
 
I had a friend, and he still is but I have no clue where he lives now. Anyway we haven't seen each other in awhile and run into each other at a large tourney in another state. Before the event, I say, wanna warm up for $20 a game. I am not playing real good and know I could lose, but I need some quality practice. We played (been a few years since last time) and about 30 minutes into play and I'm shooting he says "now I remember why I don't like playing you", it was difficult at that point but I ran out. I unscrewed my cue and politely said, I like you and still want to be friends, and shook his hand, thanked him for the practice and told him I think its best we never play each other again. And I kept my promise and we are still friends, tho I will probably never see him again, he quit playing about 6 years ago, hummm wonder why, was obvious to me.
 
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I agree with DoomCue you need a little seasoning. Fire makes steel. He knows he can get to you the way to get to him is to beat him into a coma with your game. If you want to get respect just play an never talk to him
while you are playing. You pound on him about 3 times in a row an he'll
dodge you.It sounds like you might have some talent but to reach your potential you must learn to out run the sharking. You stated you don't have much money. Pound on him a few times an you might you might get
the respect you think you deserve an turn your opponet into a backer.
Pinocchio
 
My take on it

It seems that it is REALLY important to this guy that he maintains that image of himself as a guy who WAS a top player and who can still play a strong game of one-pocket. In fact, so important that he is willing to risk/lose friendships over it. I guess in his mind, he is "teaching" you one-pocket at the rate of $5 or $10 a game. What's interesting to me is that you two are friendly "off the table," and he only goes into his loudmouth routine with you when he is playing pool with you. Sounds like to me that you may want to think about the value of the friendship APART from pool playing. For me, I would hate to lose a valuable friendship because of an incident like the one you described. I have one friend I used to play cheap one-pocket with until he did something I thought was unfair in one of our matches. I told him that was the last time I would ever gamble with him, and it was the last time. But we are still friends. I think you will find that gambling doesn't mix well with real friendship. Another friend, a very old and close friend in a distant city, used to play pool with me when he and I met up now and then. Never gambling, but very competitive. Without going into detail, it finally got to the point that I quit playing pool with him. But we are still close friends. I guess sometimes, even without the gambling, competition and friendship don't always mix well. So, bottom line, I'm just suggesting to you that you might decide to remain friends, but quit gambling with him. On the other had, if you don't really care that much about the friendship, then take the advice of DoomCue.
 
I think you did good not blowing a gasket.

But just as food for thought here's something I wrote on a mythical NG four or five years ago:

Rather than look upon the other person's behavior, comments, ability to get under your skin, etc., as something *you allow* to raise your blood pressure, step back and look upon their behavior as a challenge -- a hurdle for you to zero out and overcome. In other words: strive to become untouchable. Become bulletproof.

I use to play a fellow who would chatter to the rail birds non-stop, mostly while I was shooting. He'd laugh, tell jokes, sing nursery rhymes (not kidding) all in a loud, rasping and annoying voice. Even while he was shooting, he'd be laying it on thick about how strong I played, the trap I put him in, how he couldn't possibly beat me, blah, blah, blah. I mean, this was nonstop -- the guy was a real asshole. At first, his act was impossible for me to fade. But finally, I made up my mind to let him have at it, and see if I could rise above it and zero out his sharking; zero out the distractions; zero him out; and most importantly, zero out his wallet and put his money in my pocket.

And I finally got there. Since then, I've had people sneeze/cough while I was in mid-stroke; played other bullshit artists that keep up a steady stream of noise while you're shooting (while of course, they get dead silence while they're at the table), and have managed to remain unaffected and even not noticed my opponent's occasional ill-timed allergy attack.

I'm not saying it's easy, or that you should have to put up with this kind of baloney in the first place -- but it happens. And just as all the noise and snide comments sometimes ends up being part of the arsenal your opponent flings at you, an attitude and state of mind that zeros out that weapon -- rendering it impotent -- should be a part of yours.

In a similar vein:

Here's the biggest key to improving your concentration: realizing that it is an element of your game that you, and you alone, control and must take responsibility for.

Others will disrupt it -- knowingly or unknowingly -- but it is up to you to accept responsibility for how well you concentrate. You need to look on your ability to concentrate at the pool table as something important to work on, practice, and improve, as much any draw shot, bank, or position play that's been giving you trouble. The trick is to not get annoyed at anyone but yourself for things that disrupt your concentration and to look upon those elements as challenges that you should, and can, overcome.

Don't get mad at your opponent, the railbirds, or the barmaid -- get mad at yourself and make up your mind that you will do better.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Good advice from Lou also. I know of no game you can play that people won't try to get into you head. If you expect nice shot, good run out
every time you make a ball it ain't gonna happen. Do what you gotta do make eye contact with your opponent an go on with it. Thats taking care of business.

Pinocchio
People with big ego's usually give up the most weight and or lose the most money!!!!!!!
 
lfigueroa said:
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Others will disrupt it -- knowingly or unknowingly -- but it is up to you to accept responsibility for how well you concentrate. You need to look on your ability to concentrate at the pool table as something important to work on, practice, and improve, as much any draw shot, bank, or position play that's been giving you trouble. The trick is to not get annoyed at anyone but yourself for things that disrupt your concentration and to look upon those elements as challenges that you should, and can, overcome...

Lou Figueroa

Good advice Lou, but it brings up another point... How do you practice and improve? Seek out assholes to play? If you want to practice controlling your draw shot, you set it up again and again. The place I started playing about 2 years ago is not really a pool hall, it is a bar/nightclub with pool tables. Since playing there I have improved my ability to ignore ambient distractions like jukeboxes, bar staff, and players who are just clueless about pool etiquette; but I don't find that an irritating a-hole shows up often enough to make much progress on that front. It particularly bothers me when it is somebody I think should know better.
 
wow, you just described to a tee one of my friends that I play with. Same antics, same sideshow, loves to talk sh*t. Says he used to be able to beat the world.
I have found that when he starts his crap, I have learned to channel that discust for what he is saying into a drive and focus to beat the pants off of him. After so many times of getting his but whooped, there's nothing he can say. I am just better than he is.

In the pool world, there are many like this. I agree with the statement that you have to learn to deal with it. For me it's like a switch that turns on. It has become known to all the players that know me that the worst thing you can do is talk sh*t to me. I have learned to love turning the tables on people like that.
 
lfigueroa said:
I think you did good not blowing a gasket.

But just as food for thought here's something I wrote on a mythical NG four or five years ago:

Rather than look upon the other person's behavior, comments, ability to get under your skin, etc., as something *you allow* to raise your blood pressure, step back and look upon their behavior as a challenge -- a hurdle for you to zero out and overcome. In other words: strive to become untouchable. Become bulletproof.

I use to play a fellow who would chatter to the rail birds non-stop, mostly while I was shooting. He'd laugh, tell jokes, sing nursery rhymes (not kidding) all in a loud, rasping and annoying voice. Even while he was shooting, he'd be laying it on thick about how strong I played, the trap I put him in, how he couldn't possibly beat me, blah, blah, blah. I mean, this was nonstop -- the guy was a real asshole. At first, his act was impossible for me to fade. But finally, I made up my mind to let him have at it, and see if I could rise above it and zero out his sharking; zero out the distractions; zero him out; and most importantly, zero out his wallet and put his money in my pocket.

And I finally got there. Since then, I've had people sneeze/cough while I was in mid-stroke; played other bullshit artists that keep up a steady stream of noise while you're shooting (while of course, they get dead silence while they're at the table), and have managed to remain unaffected and even not noticed my opponent's occasional ill-timed allergy attack.

I'm not saying it's easy, or that you should have to put up with this kind of baloney in the first place -- but it happens. And just as all the noise and snide comments sometimes ends up being part of the arsenal your opponent flings at you, an attitude and state of mind that zeros out that weapon -- rendering it impotent -- should be a part of yours.

In a similar vein:

Here's the biggest key to improving your concentration: realizing that it is an element of your game that you, and you alone, control and must take responsibility for.

Others will disrupt it -- knowingly or unknowingly -- but it is up to you to accept responsibility for how well you concentrate. You need to look on your ability to concentrate at the pool table as something important to work on, practice, and improve, as much any draw shot, bank, or position play that's been giving you trouble. The trick is to not get annoyed at anyone but yourself for things that disrupt your concentration and to look upon those elements as challenges that you should, and can, overcome.

Don't get mad at your opponent, the railbirds, or the barmaid -- get mad at yourself and make up your mind that you will do better.

Lou Figueroa


Nice post. I have a bad habit of letting people get into my head, whether it was intentional or not, and have always just accepted the fact that I was easily sharked.
I like a good challenge and this advice provides a new challenge. I'll give it a try.
Thanks

Steve
 
DoomCue said:
I think you need to keep playing him.

First, your skin will only get thicker as you put up with the antics, which will only help you in future match-ups with other players. You will learn to keep your even temperament at all times, which is a good skill to have, even outside of pool. You know what to expect now, so learn to deal with it. It won't be the last time you see a player like him. It's good mental training, and it sounds like you'll get paid to train. I know it's tough to intentionally put yourself in a position to deal with this SOS (sack of shit), but it'll make you a stronger player (and person) in the long run.

Second, let him be the one who quits you. In other words, bust him. Let him know that you're just betting his own money back at him. Then bust him again. And again.

-djb

tap tap tap. The one absolute freedom you have is control of your thoughts...no one can take that away from you without your permission. Forget the "he should not do this" thoughts; he IS doing it and will continue regardless, so your "he should" thoughts are pure bullcrap. Let them go. Make sense?

Repeat this concept over and over and believe it. Then when this happens again and again and again and again... (it will unless you quit pool), you'll have a tool for handling it better.

Tough, but effective.

Jeff Livingston
 
I think all of these responses aimed toward getting you above all of his antics are great. Improving in this area will only help you to cope with other annoying issues issues or people in the future. But unfortunately I am not wired that way so suffice it to say I would have hit him in his f**king mouth. That is just who I am, no apologies.

Disclaimer--> I think you made the correct decision in avoiding a physical confrontation.
 
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