Tonight after league, we were playing eight ball for drinks. One of the guys playing had an easy dead cross side bank, he banged the s*** out of it and the eight ball jumped off the table. The eight ball was spotted no foul, but it just so happened that when it was spotted, it totally hooked the next player. This is a stupid rule for a couple of reasons, the first being, why should the next player be punished for someone else making a mistake, the second reason is every time someone has a difficult shot and a ball is behind the spot and the cue ball down the table, all you have to do is bang it off the table, not to mention the possibility of hitting a bystander. It, is in the APA rules, and I think this is just a bad rule.
Eight Ball Rule Question
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You must have misread/misinterpreted the APA rules:
6. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
If the 8-ball is knocked on the floor, it is loss of game. Other object balls that get knocked on the floor will be spotted. If the spot is taken, then the ball would be placed on a line directly behind the spot as close to the spot as possible. Knocking a ball other than the cue ball on the floor is not a foul. It might occur that a player pockets his ball while simultaneously knocking some other ball on the floor. In this situation, it is still his turn and the ball is not spotted until he misses. If the ball on the floor is one of the shooter’s balls, then it is spotted when the shooter has pocketed all of his other balls or misses.
And from the BCA Rulebook:
4.20 LOSS OF GAME
A player loses the game by committing any of the following infractions:
1. Fouls when pocketing the 8-ball (exception: see 8-Ball Pocketed On The
Break).
2. Pockets the 8-ball on the same stroke as the last of his group of balls.
3. Jumps the 8-ball off the table at any time.
4. Pockets the 8-ball in a pocket other than the one designated.
5. Pockets the 8-ball when it is not the legal object ball.
6. BALLS ON THE FLOOR
If the 8-ball is knocked on the floor, it is loss of game. Other object balls that get knocked on the floor will be spotted. If the spot is taken, then the ball would be placed on a line directly behind the spot as close to the spot as possible. Knocking a ball other than the cue ball on the floor is not a foul. It might occur that a player pockets his ball while simultaneously knocking some other ball on the floor. In this situation, it is still his turn and the ball is not spotted until he misses. If the ball on the floor is one of the shooter’s balls, then it is spotted when the shooter has pocketed all of his other balls or misses.
And from the BCA Rulebook:
4.20 LOSS OF GAME
A player loses the game by committing any of the following infractions:
1. Fouls when pocketing the 8-ball (exception: see 8-Ball Pocketed On The
Break).
2. Pockets the 8-ball on the same stroke as the last of his group of balls.
3. Jumps the 8-ball off the table at any time.
4. Pockets the 8-ball in a pocket other than the one designated.
5. Pockets the 8-ball when it is not the legal object ball.
I agree. Therefore I herebyeth, forthwitheth, and forvermorest, declare this rule null and void. And they who shall evereth violate this rule willst not be penalized nor punished therebyeth. Zzzt...it is doneth.
If you are playing 8 ball and say you are playing the 3 ball , well the 3 ball goes in the pocket and pops out and goes on the floor.!! Is that a ball in hand to the next player or does he shoot it where the Qball lies ??? I figure since the 3 ball was not pocketed but went off the table the 3 ball stays down but it is the nxt players turn... Am I right ??? ED
It was the rule Willie Mosconi played by. It was the standard rule at pool until about 1985. It used to be OK at carom to drive a ball off the table (as long as you scored otherwise). I think it's cleaner to play balls on the floor as a foul, but the other way worked. Some old-timers still play the old way at one pocket, where you sometimes send balls onto the floor intentionally.
Fascinating. So maybe it used to make sense in the conditions/culture of a bygone age.
I wouldn't dare do something like that (particularly at one pocket). I'd expect someone to send me onto the floor intentionally, soon afterwards.
ANYONE ?? Have a answer In regards to this ,,,I was going to start my own thread but Thought someone on this one would know ?? ,,,<ED
Fenwick...Are you "channeling" Willie now? 
LOL I KNOW you're not 'going his way' yet! You're too interested in getting your pool game elevated to where you want it! Keep up the good work! :thumbup:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
LOL I KNOW you're not 'going his way' yet! You're too interested in getting your pool game elevated to where you want it! Keep up the good work! :thumbup:Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Even with the current foul rule, it is a standard, accepted, and sometimes applauded shot at one pocket to send the cue ball and/or object ball onto the floor.
If it is the oponents ball does it go down as if it was pocketed??
Nope. Is spotted at the end of the inning.
Fenwick...Are you "channeling" Willie now?
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I play him for some small $ now and again but it's more like paying for lessons. He has complemented my style, form and my stroke. I tell him I had a good teacher, Scott Lee. As I said he still has a lot of game.
Which rules is it
When it is your oponents ball that flies off it goes down and is not spotted.
Thought that was incorrect until I re-read the rules. Your opponent's balls do spot at the end of the inning if you make a ball of your own at the same time the others go off the table.
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