embarassing 9-ball spot question

Learning how to WHINE with the best.

mikepage said:
I need some ideas for 9-ball spots that are similar to the last four and maybe sound better but really aren't. Help me out please.

Help!

After barely beating him, did you whine and cry about how tough it was to beat him with the last four? If not, you are a slow learner. :-)

The problem is not the spot but what you make of the spot. It will be difficult to offer such a game that he thinks is better than the last four at least in his eyes but in reality is not.

If you try that, you should have three choices, all of which are close to the same but none of which are substantially less (for you). You obviously want to continue playing this charlatan (insert "poolplayer" here) but you must continue to let him think you are a rube at least as far as pool is concerned. When he whines about your first choice which will be the best game in your favor, even better than the last four, you should feign surprise and ask for his superior explanation as to why this is a worse game for him than the last four. Continue on with your suggestions, holding onto your most reasonable suggestion for last. Remember only three.... Any more than that and he will know you are no longer a rube.

As I remember, you do not have giant size hands but they are not petite either. Your first suggestion could be this one: Every time I shoot, when the cue ball stops rolling, I get to move the cue ball 1 foot (at this time, jerk a 12 " ruler out of your pool case and lay it on the table)and say "we play even up". When he looks at you like you are crazy simply ask for his explanation as to why the spot is out of line. Listening and looking incredulous is important at this time as well. As a second stab at securing this magnificent spot you should look suddenly inspired and say well all right then while I know I need to adjust the cue ball at least a foot, I will accept a spot where I get to move the cue ball a little less, "how about the distance of my hand" (which is a full 33% reduction if I guess correctly). Never smile coyly (while making any of these offers ) at this seasoned veteran of matching up as he must continue to believe that he is dealing with a rube. Even when he accepts your offer, make sure that you whine a great deal and also when you win. It is imperative that you whine or he will think you believe you have WAY the best of the game.

When you do get a game that is similar or close to the last four that you can still be competitive at, what are you gonna do????? WHINE, just like your opponent. It is part of the game for him and you have to play like him.

You could also consider a three ball spot: Make a big deal about the DRASTIC reduction with this spot (going from the last FOUR to only three money balls). You might even consider telling him that you want 8-5 on your money or some other ridiculous odds. The wild 5, 7 & 9 but make sure you say the WILD 9 redundantly and with unadulterated glee. (Anyone who says they want the WILD 9 is a rube). Give the man what he wants. Better yet, FIRST ask him for the break, the wild 5, wild 7 and say the WILD 9 like you are going bowling with a group of Steven King's storybook friends), then making a second stab at the same game but with the same spot minus the break. Never give the better player the break even if he begs, but you already know that.

Pick another decent spot from one of the other AZers and you have three basic choices.

This is a make-up test Mike and I know you can do better.

Whatever you do, WHINE. Keep in mind that I don't recommend this for every opponent, just those who practice this repetitive but varied mantra. We have a dozen or more "gamblers" from New Orleans and especially Baton Rouge who whine with the best in the world and who feel whining is an art form. The pool sport chose you, you accepted; now go do your penance.

Have fun with the matching up. :-)

JoeyA (BTW, don't take the 7,8 or 9 at any price unless you have another HIGHER gear besides the one you already showed him)

P.S. 2. : After you win, be sure and buy a drink, pay the time and WHINE. He really wants you to whine, it makes him feel good, if you whine well enough he may even play you one more time with the same spot, but be sure to whine with sincerity. Whine, whine, whine. Use it on anyone who practices it on a regular basis.
 
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mikepage said:
So I've been playing 14.1 with a local guy after tuesday night league. He goes to 125; I go to 75. He's now beat me five times in a row. Then he whines about the spot every time after he beats me. Last night, when I offered to play some straight pool, he called and told his stepdad he would *not* come over to celebrate the guy's birthday but will play me instead. I said *that* tells me more than anything else what he thinks of the spot... ;-)

Last night, after I lost at 14.1, we played some 9-ball. I got him to give me the last four, though it was work I'll tell ya... I got up a few games at 10 a game. Then he upped it to 20 a game and I got up a few more till closing time.

Here's my problem. I actually think we're pretty even at that spot, but I don't think he'll give it to me again.

I need some ideas for 9-ball spots that are similar to the last four and maybe sound better but really aren't. Help me out please.

I know I know. Bowling... Golf...
Yes I know this is pathetic.

BTW, I told you about the nickle I lost at straight pool so you'd feel sorry for me.


Help!

Two observations:

1 this guy beat you 5 TIMES IN A ROW at 125 to 75, and still whines about the spot

2. you think he won't give you the same spot, with which you won
ONE TIME

do you see a trend here?

tho you didn't mention it, I think you understand that the whining is a 'move' designed to keep you from asking for a bigger spot in 14.1

there is absolutely no way you should change the game because you
won one time

my prediction is he won't play again with the same spot, or any spot
he thinks you have any chance with

FWIW - it sounds like you have no chance at 125 to 75

HTH
Dale
 
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pdcue said:
Two observations:

1 this guy beat you 5 TIMES IN A ROW at 125 to 75, and still whines about the spot

2. you think he will wont give you the same spot, with which you won
ONE TIME

do you see a trend here?

tho you didn't mention it, I think you understand that the whining is a 'move' designed to keep you from asking for a bigger spot in 14.1

there is absolutely no way you should change the game because you
won one time

my prediction is he won't play again with the same spot, or any spot
he thinks you have any chance with

FWIW - it sounds like you have no chance at 125 to 75

HTH
Dale

You guys are inspiring me ;-) I'm going to keep batting my head on the 125 to 75 wall, and I'll keep yo posted
 
I think he is just setting you up for a bigger bet in 9 ball. He will ask to reduce the spot and bet more.
 
JoeyA said:
[...]
Whatever you do, WHINE. ]

Don't ever change Joey. You had me smiling the whole post.

I *have* learned a few lessons from this guy.

For instance, I've learned that after agreeing on a game, I must say, shaking my head, ...

"Wow, I AT LEAST have to get the first break!" as I walk to the head of the table. Of course he won't give it to me. But it gets in the last word and sets the presumption of unreasonable-to-me-unless-proven-otherwise.

Then if I win, I have to speak before he gets a chance, with a tone that I just dodged a big bullet: "I can't *believe* I got out of this alive. That is *not* enough weight. You never jaw that seven ball like that. And when I stuck you behind the five? I pulled that out of my a##. .. I can't do *that* game again. That's not enough weight...
 
mnShooter said:
Having the break is a handicap if you can't run out.

Not if you know how to break, not make a ball, and leave the cue ball safe... :D

Knowing how to do that consistently will put a crimp in anyone's game, or at least make it plenty difficult for your opponent to run out when he gets to the table right after your break.

Flex
 
SCCues said:
Another option I like is "the break and the wild 8". The break is huge in 9 ball and you'll have 2 money balls.

WOw, from the last 4 to the 8& the breaks? You may NOT speak for me in any capacity.:eek:
 
mikepage said:
You never jaw that seven ball like that. And when I stuck you behind the five? I pulled that out of my a##. .. I can't do *that* game again. That's not enough weight...


Mike, you've got the whole package. No need for improvement or further testing. :-)
JoeyA
 
You're not going to outplay the guy, so use your head. Pool players have big egos. It is not usually a team sport. Just the player and his cue, so they are the center of their world, your world, and the free world. Play t what he can't see. The top back of his head. Between the shoulder blades. His derriere. Also transitory odors. Wow, your hair is sure thinning. You should see it when you bend under the table light. Your butt looks peculiar when you bend over. What makes your shoulder plade stick up when you are shooting? When you get a chance show me how you do that punch stroke of yours. Is your pool case from the Orient, it smells like it was tanned with elephant or tiger urine? Could be your socks or your feet, though. When did you start putting that twitch in your stroke? You know, now he'll be distracted from the work at hand. Pool. Ya gotta love it.
 
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JoeyA said:
After barely beating him, did you whine and cry about how tough it was to beat him with the last four? If not, you are a slow learner. :-)

The problem is not the spot but what you make of the spot. It will be difficult to offer such a game that he thinks is better than the last four at least in his eyes but in reality is not.

If you try that, you should have three choices, all of which are close to the same but none of which are substantially less (for you). You obviously want to continue playing this charlatan (insert "poolplayer" here) but you must continue to let him think you are a rube at least as far as pool is concerned. When he whines about your first choice which will be the best game in your favor, even better than the last four, you should feign surprise and ask for his superior explanation as to why this is a worse game for him than the last four. Continue on with your suggestions, holding onto your most reasonable suggestion for last. Remember only three.... Any more than that and he will know you are no longer a rube.

As I remember, you do not have giant size hands but they are not petite either. Your first suggestion could be this one: Every time I shoot, when the cue ball stops rolling, I get to move the cue ball 1 foot (at this time, jerk a 12 " ruler out of your pool case and lay it on the table)and say "we play even up". When he looks at you like you are crazy simply ask for his explanation as to why the spot is out of line. Listening and looking incredulous is important at this time as well. As a second stab at securing this magnificent spot you should look suddenly inspired and say well all right then while I know I need to adjust the cue ball at least a foot, I will accept a spot where I get to move the cue ball a little less, "how about the distance of my hand" (which is a full 33% reduction if I guess correctly). Never smile coyly (while making any of these offers ) at this seasoned veteran of matching up as he must continue to believe that he is dealing with a rube. Even when he accepts your offer, make sure that you whine a great deal and also when you win. It is imperative that you whine or he will think you believe you have WAY the best of the game.

When you do get a game that is similar or close to the last four that you can still be competitive at, what are you gonna do????? WHINE, just like your opponent. It is part of the game for him and you have to play like him.

You could also consider a three ball spot: Make a big deal about the DRASTIC reduction with this spot (going from the last FOUR to only three money balls). You might even consider telling him that you want 8-5 on your money or some other ridiculous odds. The wild 5, 7 & 9 but make sure you say the WILD 9 redundantly and with unadulterated glee. (Anyone who says they want the WILD 9 is a rube). Give the man what he wants. Better yet, FIRST ask him for the break, the wild 5, wild 7 and say the WILD 9 like you are going bowling with a group of Steven King's storybook friends), then making a second stab at the same game but with the same spot minus the break. Never give the better player the break even if he begs, but you already know that.

Pick another decent spot from one of the other AZers and you have three basic choices.

This is a make-up test Mike and I know you can do better.

Whatever you do, WHINE. Keep in mind that I don't recommend this for every opponent, just those who practice this repetitive but varied mantra. We have a dozen or more "gamblers" from New Orleans and especially Baton Rouge who whine with the best in the world and who feel whining is an art form. The pool sport chose you, you accepted; now go do your penance.

Have fun with the matching up. :-)

JoeyA (BTW, don't take the 7,8 or 9 at any price unless you have another HIGHER gear besides the one you already showed him)

P.S. 2. : After you win, be sure and buy a drink, pay the time and WHINE. He really wants you to whine, it makes him feel good, if you whine well enough he may even play you one more time with the same spot, but be sure to whine with sincerity. Whine, whine, whine. Use it on anyone who practices it on a regular basis.

I hope that none of the players around here read this post. It might make matching up much more difficult for me.
 
DaveFagan said:
You're not going to outplay the guy, so use your head. Pool players have big egos. It is not usually a team sport. Just the player and his cue, so they are the center of their world, your world, and the free world. Play t what he can't see. The top back of his head. Between the shoulder blades. His derriere. Also transitory odors. Wow, your hair is sure thinning. You should see it when you bend under the table light. Your butt looks peculiar when you bend over. What makes your shoulder plade stick up when you are shooting? When you get a chance show me how you do that punch stroke of yours. Is your pool case from the Orient, it smells like it was tanned with elephant or tiger urine? Could be your socks or your feet, though. When did you start putting that twitch in your stroke? You know, now he'll be distracted from the work at hand. Pool. Ya gotta love it.


Tiger urine? :eek: ROTFLMAO

Steve
 
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