English Poll
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mikepage said:
Mike - your point is well taken.
It's my personal opinion you progress as a player quicker with the use of BHE. It eliminates more calculation as opposed to front hand english (calculating swerve, squirt, whatever). It does work on every shot (at least in my game) - although you need to adjust in certain circumstances. I'm just saying you calculate and adjust less (regardless of the shaft, even if you're not bridging at the pivot point). People think that low deflection shafts require no adjustment- and that's not true.
Another misconception is BHE is strictly aiming to where you'd make the shot with center-ball and then pivot to your english position--- and that's not true. There are a number of techniques that pivot to CB positions from points other than center (that have nothing to do with pivot points).
As a matter of fact, I'd bet most players who use BHE as a core component to their game even KNOW the pivot point of their cue, or care for that matter.
I think I'm just saying I just think most people's definition of what bhe is and how it's used is incomplete. I'm pretty sure I pivot on 100% of my bank shots.
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one lesson from ron v and I pivot on all banks also
It really depends on the type of shot. I normally line up the shot with the english that I plan to use and compensate for squirt, deflection, swerve... You get the idea.
There are certain shots that I only use BHE for. That is what I started out using exclusively and it works pretty well for most shots. As long as I can make the ball with the desired english, that makes it the right way for ME. YMMV...
JBK
There are certain shots that I only use BHE for. That is what I started out using exclusively and it works pretty well for most shots. As long as I can make the ball with the desired english, that makes it the right way for ME. YMMV...
JBK
cookie man said:
*WINK* *WINK*
Brian Gregg- Best Banker in the World -
All we need to do now is get a wireless digi camera hooked up on Brian Gregg's head and then we'll know whether we should be pivoting on banks or not.
Wait a minute, we can just ask him because he posts on AZB.
JoeyA (at least he was at the DCC)
cookie man said:
All we need to do now is get a wireless digi camera hooked up on Brian Gregg's head and then we'll know whether we should be pivoting on banks or not.
Wait a minute, we can just ask him because he posts on AZB.
JoeyA (at least he was at the DCC)
JoeyA said:All we need to do now is get a wireless digi camera hooked up on Brian Gregg's head and then we'll know whether we should be pivoting on banks or not.
Wait a minute, we can just ask him because he posts on AZB.
JoeyA (at least he was at the DCC)
That guy is a machine, isn't he? I think some people were born with super-high spacial perception and some people weren't (me). Some people have unbelievable feel, and then there's me. I would caution against checking out what one guy does and say that's the way. Brian is without a DOUBT a superbly "GIFTED" player, in more ways than banking. I think if a non-player like me can pivot and pound a bunch of banks in and not worry about feel, good for little ol' me, right?
Inaction said:
That really is no longer true. Over the years, the word "english" has come to refer to any spin imparted on a pool ball.
You will find numerous such references from experts such as Bob Jewett in a rec.sports.billiards post which stated:
"English
Spin on the cue ball, especially side spin ("side" in the UK)"
He said "especially side spin" not exclusively side spin.
Regards,
Jim
I practice Keep It Simple Stupid and have no idea how I apply english. I don't even think about it, just get into position to shoot with the cue tip in the proper place, don't even think about squirt or deflection or anything else. For better or worse, this seems to work for me. I may be doing some unconcious allowance in my aim for the various factors, but it is very unconcious.
SpiderWebComm said:
Do you mean the first part of the adjustment is made using BHE so there's less additional adjustment to make by feel? This makes some sense to me - lots of systems work by giving you a starting place from which to make smaller adjustments.
Right. Every shaft squirts with sidespin.
I'm confused by all the different things people mean by BHE. I think it's most useful as the name for "pure" BHE (pivoting at the bridge by moving the back hand only), and all the other kinds should just be described as similar to it. Trying to lump all the different techniques into that one name just makes it less meaningful.
pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
Pj, you're correct in your first quote bubble. I'm saying it provides a foundation that requires fewer mental gymnastics in figuring. Both require adjustments, it's just my opinion back hand english doesn't require as much as the traditional way. I think not many people invest the time to really learn it and find people who know the techniques well - so traditional methods are always easier to incorporate in the long-run. Most people try it, think it's weird, and never really use it in match situations.
In regards to your last comment, I don't think there is pure BHE and other BHE... there's just BHE (pivoting with the back hand). There are just more techniques than the one commonly discussed. It's like only reading the first chapter of a book and thinking you read the book.
I must say, I got really rattled when I saw you quoted my earlier post. I thought I was stepping into a head-lopping, but you were quite pleasant.
I'm going to revisit the video links and explore this again.
But I'm in a difficult position going in because my fat headed logic is stuck in "do what??!!" mode.
If you look at the "contact time",we all see how long the cue hits the ball.How the "angle" (which is what we a talking about I think) of the stick inparts dramatically different results in that instant is...well...lost on me.
But I'm in a difficult position going in because my fat headed logic is stuck in "do what??!!" mode.
If you look at the "contact time",we all see how long the cue hits the ball.How the "angle" (which is what we a talking about I think) of the stick inparts dramatically different results in that instant is...well...lost on me.
SpiderWebComm said:
Efren uses it...
I watched him line up square to a shot and then clearly pivot his cue with his back hand right before he shot.
It was one of those semi straight in shots into a corner pocket that you want to follow two rails out with a little side spin to change the angle out
He executed it very well.....
He also used BHE for a "kill shot" that he does better than anyone...
BRKNRUN said:Efren uses it...
I watched him line up square to a shot and then clearly pivot his cue with his back hand right before he shot.
It was one of those semi straight in shots into a corner pocket that you want to follow two rails out with a little side spin to change the angle out
He executed it very well.....
He also used BHE for a "kill shot" that he does better than anyone...
I know many of the top filipinos all pivot, many americans do as well. What surprised me is how few people here on azb use it.
SpiderWebComm said:
I think the poll options as presented don't allow for what many people do: option 3 for most sidespin shots, particularly those where swerve is significant, and option 2 (BHE) for certain shots with the cueball a few feet or less from the object ball and you're hitting kinda hard.