Entitlement

krupa said:
Back in 2000 or 2001 when I lived on NW Johnson, I was hanging out at the Silver Dollar and some friends invited me to a tournament at a bar I had never heard of. I jumped in their car and we cruised out Rte. 30 a ways. Come to find out, the tournament was in a strip bar. Can't get more real than that. :)
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Jody's use to have a tournament, too. They had a back-to-back-to-back 9-8-9 or something. First time I went, I missed the first 9, but won the 8 and got 2nd in 9. Portland's still got the strip-club-per-capita record, I think. I've been meaning to check out the Silver Dollar. I know it has some people there once in a while and even a tournament, I think. The problem is that it's hard to turn down the allure to cheap alcohol close to home on Hawthorne. :embarrassed2: Tempted to hit up Sassy's or Deviate sometimes, but deep down I know the pool would suck and I'd just fork out money for looking.
 
.....".Back in 2000 or 2001 when I lived on NW Johnson, I was hanging out at the Silver Dollar and some friends invited me to a tournament at a bar I had never heard of. I jumped in their car and we cruised out Rte. 30 a ways. Come to find out, the tournament was in a strip bar. Can't get more real than that. "

Some of the best money games are within........(in a galaxy far far away.....the wife is watching)
 
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What would be an example of a player feeling entitled to get paid without effort?
I can think of a few things you're referring to.

• someone coming on here and asking others to sponsor their entry to a tournament.
If the player is going to give the sponsor a cut of the winnings, I dunno if I'd characterize it
as trying to get paid for doing nothing. It's more like a business proposition.
Invest in me and I'll pay you dividends.

If they're going to promote your product, that's technically work (though wearing a patch
and talking up the product isn't that much effort). So they're getting paid to work.

• Players getting paid appearance fees just to show up:
Well, when a player shows up and plays pool, that's his job, that's work.
It benefits the fans. So he's asking to get paid for that work.
In a perfect world, he wouldn't need to ask for this, it would be a given
or the player's skills would be enough to earn him a modest paycheck
even if he comes in 32nd.


Why are amateurs and leagues expected to pay for pros?

• Well, if you agree they should in fact get paid for playing well,
then the money has to come from somewhere.
Brunswick and Simonis and CSI can only do so much.
Budweiser and Pepsi and ESPN aren't willing to pay them.
They can get paid for lessons but I suspect it's pretty tough
even for known pros to book 20-40 hours a week of lessons.

Or maybe you don't think they deserve pay for just being "top 100"
rather than "Top 10" caliber?

If people aren't willing to pay to see that,
maybe that's just what their skills are worth on the job marketplace.
But that's not a very fun attitude. It means you might as well
assume pool is always gonna be a hobby and you'll have to figure
out a way to maintain your skills while holding a fulltime job.
 
Where will it end?

CreeDo said:
What would be an example of a player feeling entitled to get paid without effort?
I can think of a few things you're referring to.

• someone coming on here and asking others to sponsor their entry to a tournament.
If the player is going to give the sponsor a cut of the winnings, I dunno if I'd characterize it
as trying to get paid for doing nothing. It's more like a business proposition.
Invest in me and I'll pay you dividends.

If they're going to promote your product, that's technically work (though wearing a patch
and talking up the product isn't that much effort). So they're getting paid to work.

• Players getting paid appearance fees just to show up:
Well, when a player shows up and plays pool, that's his job, that's work.
It benefits the fans. So he's asking to get paid for that work.
In a perfect world, he wouldn't need to ask for this, it would be a given
or the player's skills would be enough to earn him a modest paycheck
even if he comes in 32nd.


Why are amateurs and leagues expected to pay for pros?

• Well, if you agree they should in fact get paid for playing well,
then the money has to come from somewhere.
Brunswick and Simonis and CSI can only do so much.
Budweiser and Pepsi and ESPN aren't willing to pay them.
They can get paid for lessons but I suspect it's pretty tough
even for known pros to book 20-40 hours a week of lessons.

Or maybe you don't think they deserve pay for just being "top 100"
rather than "Top 10" caliber?

If people aren't willing to pay to see that,
maybe that's just what their skills are worth on the job marketplace.
But that's not a very fun attitude. It means you might as well
assume pool is always gonna be a hobby and you'll have to figure
out a way to maintain your skills while holding a fulltime job.
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CreeDo..

Why not top 200 or top 300. Hell why not everyone who plays pool.

We can all quit our jobs and become Pro Pool Players.

You get out of life what your willing to put into it.

If pool is not paying the bills find something that will.

Don
 
Of course its a loaded question

Nostroke said:
It's hard to believe that no one here seems to know that the "beating your wife" question is the standard example given to show what a loaded question is all about.

My God we are doomed.
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Nostroke..

And you must have been loaded to post it.

Don
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
NoStroke is a pretty good guy and I don't think he was trying to accuse you of beating your wife.

I quoted his anology he was trying to make and maybe it didn't quite figure with your
statements.

Anyway, it was about the same as asking, "Does your Mother know you're stupid".

That was a joke and not meant to be directed toward anyone here.

Myself, I don;t think my Mom ever suspected.
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Thanks Hog-I guess you were the only one to see it wasnt a serious question. see para 2 second sentence-Its been the example cited of a loaded question for at least 40 years which his opening question clearly was and what I was trying to point out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
 
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Hummm.... not a bad offer

Nostroke said:
i can offer you a million dollars protection for only $3 per year covering any injuries incurred within or on your way to a MENSA meeting.
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I just may have to take you up on that offer.

I am sure no one will make that offer to you.

Wait!!!! Maybe they will. Easiest $3 dollars anyone can make. Only chance you have of collecting is if one of the group at the MENSA meeting caused you a injury by flailing their arms while laughing so hard at you when you tried to say something intelligent.

Don: thumbup:
 
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hang-the-9 said:
I think it's like this...

If you are a great baseball player, you have scouts watching out for guys like you from the time you are 12 or something. Same thing for football and other major sports. People come up to you and want to give you stuff, bring you places, pay you 3 mil a year to work an hour a day.

If you are a good or great pool player, you get drunks telling you how easy the game is and that they can play good also, you're lucky to be allowed to pay $500 for entry fees and travel 2,000 miles on your own dime to attempt to break even.

It would annoy the hell out of me also and I'm sure I'd get pretty bitter about it.
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Snap, snap, snap!
 
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