Etiquette question

DeeDeeCues said:
You were 100% right. I've never heard of a tourney that doesn't call that a foul since the cueball was in play.

You could have told him that you figured he wanted them there since he was the one who moved them.
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This is my kind of smart assery and literally made me laugh out loud. Thank you, internet stranger, for brightening my day.
 
vjmehra said:
Perhaps the bigger question is why is that not a foul???

I appreciate its a US local-rules thing, but it just seems very odd, in the UK (and I believe in mainland Europe too, happy to be corrected), I've never seen or heard of a tournament where this wouldn't be considered a foul, potentially even loss of rack.
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It’s not a foul in any league or tournament I play in. Cue ball fouls only.
As for the poster you did nothing wrong. That guy should be upset at himself. He put himself in that position
 
trob said:
It’s not a foul in any league or tournament I play in. Cue ball fouls only.
As for the poster you did nothing wrong. That guy should be upset at himself. He put himself in that position
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Cue ball fouls in itself is such a strange concept, I've never heard of it other than on this forum, I assume its a US only thing, just seems odd to me, if you touch a ball it should be a foul.
 
miramachine said:
I had a scenario on this past weekend where I had my opponent lose it at me for something and I just wanted to get opinions so I don't make the same mistake.

Playing 9 ball and my opponent shoots the 7 ball, as he was bringing his arm off the table (and the cue ball still moving) he hits the 8 ball about a foot which runs into the 9 ball as well. This wasn't a foul as per tournament rules which is fine. It was then my decision to leave the balls where they are or try to put them back where they were. The original positions of the balls were easier than after he hit them with his arm so I just said leave them where they are (which is the harder shot). He then misses the 8 ball and proceeds to be VERY upset at me calling me a dirty player among other things and he couldn't believe how I could not just put the balls back for him which was a much easier run out.

I didn't think twice about leaving the harder shot for him and I would expect him to do the same to me. Am I dead wrong for doing this?
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You did it exactly right. If he didn't want the harder shot he should control his body. But in pool, anytime you can make someone blow a gasket I consider that a win... as long as it isn't sharking. Wind em up and let em blow.

I honestly love playing all ball fouls. I believe this is the way it should be, from beginners to pros. I think they just do CB only fouls to keep tempers calm.
 
trob said:
It’s not a foul in any league or tournament I play in. Cue ball fouls only.
As for the poster you did nothing wrong. That guy should be upset at himself. He put himself in that position
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But it is a foul in other leagues, such as the BCAPL/USAPL/CSI, because two balls were moved. Also, it was a 9-ball league which tends to be a little pickier.
 
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trob said:
It’s not a foul in any league or tournament I play in. Cue ball fouls only.
As for the poster you did nothing wrong. That guy should be upset at himself. He put himself in that position
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True, most state that it is a foul if one of the moved balls contacts the cueball. I have more problem with this rule than any other, mainly because the moved ball might not contact the cueball, but what if the cueball would have hit the ball in its original position? Both situations affect the outcome.

My preferred rule on this is that balls moved accidentally before the cueball is in play will be left or respotted per the opponent's preference and no foul called. If the shooter doesn't stop and ask the opponent, it is a foul. Balls moved while the cueball or other balls are in play results in a foul regardless of potential to disrupt the cueball.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
True, most state that it is a foul if one of the moved balls contacts the cueball. I have more problem with this rule than any other, mainly because the moved ball might not contact the cueball, but what if the cueball would have hit the ball in its original position? Both situations affect the outcome.

My preferred rule on this is that balls moved accidentally before the cueball is in play will be left or respotted per the opponent's preference and no foul called. If the shooter doesn't stop and ask the opponent, it is a foul. Balls moved while the cueball or other balls are in play results in a foul regardless of potential to disrupt the cueball.
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Yeah it’s weird because it wasn’t a small weekly tournament or anything. It was the Maine state open
 
gamblers dont have these issues they just resolve it amicably and quickly no hard feelings.

trophy players seem to have to let ego get into decisions instead of reason.
 
This has happened to me a few times and no, they never move the ball back to where it was for an easier shot. I don't expect them to. If they get mouthy, I have no problem telling them "Do you want me to book you a game with a ball-banger, maybe somebody you can beat?"
 
SBC said:
One....if a ball hits another ball always has to be a foul cuz you cannot easily replace them.

Two...it is your choice to put them back or not. I've seen guys "put them back" where there was no longer a shot. Not much you can do about it.

This guy hopefully learned something. Probably not.
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I've told the story here before, and...

I was playing a well known player and he was ruling me. I was jacked up on a ball and touched it. I let him know.

He chose to replace it and it was damn 80% closer to the damn cb after he looked at me, smiled and sat down. Damn.

I learned 2 lessons that day, and on is that i might be honest after I pull the trigger next time.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
True, most state that it is a foul if one of the moved balls contacts the cueball. I have more problem with this rule than any other, mainly because the moved ball might not contact the cueball, but what if the cueball would have hit the ball in its original position? Both situations affect the outcome.

My preferred rule on this is that balls moved accidentally before the cueball is in play will be left or respotted per the opponent's preference and no foul called. If the shooter doesn't stop and ask the opponent, it is a foul. Balls moved while the cueball or other balls are in play results in a foul regardless of potential to disrupt the cueball.
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In BCAPL if the cue ball passes through the area a move object ball originally occupied it's a foul.

I watched a ladies match with the Roadrunner playing Kelly Fisher and it appeared the kid fouled as to the naked eye at full speed it looked like the cue ball brushed the two. She said she hit it with her stick and Fisher appeared skeptical. The TD used slow motion replay to make the call and no one got upset even though it looked like it was heading there quickly.

 
Black-Balled said:
I've told the story here before, and...

I was playing a well known player and he was ruling me. I was jacked up on a ball and touched it. I let him know.

He chose to replace it and it was damn 80% closer to the damn cb after he looked at me, smiled and sat down. Damn.

I learned 2 lessons that day, and on is that i might be honest after I pull the trigger next time.
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I have a similar story. I was playing bank pool and was elevated and cutting a ball. All to avoid a double hit. Opponent watches. I stroke and he immediately calls foul. I said I don't think so. He said it was impossible for it not to foul. I reminded him it was his option to ask for a ref to watch, but did not. In that case the call goes to the shooter. He went flaming nuts, physically threatening me and telling me I'd better have my "boys" around or I was in big trouble. I just smiled. Meanwhile I'm thinking what nut is going to threaten some old guy over a pool shot?
 
eg9327 said:
I have a similar story. I was playing bank pool and was elevated and cutting a ball. All to avoid a double hit. Opponent watches. I stroke and he immediately calls foul. I said I don't think so. He said it was impossible for it not to foul. I reminded him it was his option to ask for a ref to watch, but did not. In that case the call goes to the shooter. He went flaming nuts, physically threatening me and telling me I'd better have my "boys" around or I was in big trouble. I just smiled. Meanwhile I'm thinking what nut is going to threaten some old guy over a pool shot?
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be careful
there ARE nuts out there who will do more than just threaten an old guy over a pool shot
 
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