Experience or science?
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unfair question. who is going to filter the "experience" from the science? who is going to keep "science" from the experience that each of us accumulates in life's day-to-day existence? it;s like posing the question: can a scientist be a man of faith or must he denounce religion? Must a priest refer to science as hocus pocus or because there are conflicts between his religion and science must he denounce science? there is plenty of room in this world for free thinkers and religous thought to not only co-exist but flourish. this is only my lowly opine.
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Nice write up Bob, I understand it completely, I also like to use the science of pool along with the spinning english that one can master and control and make it all work together!
David Harcrow
My intent was not to be insulting. I think the poll contributes to more confusion than is needed.
Science is used to organize and think about experience.
Those who make statements implying that "science" has or has not proven some point also contribute to the general confusion about the scientific method which is not an answer but one of several ways to find tentative answers based on experience.
There are, I am told, lots of papers on this subject. For the specific case of pool Wayland Marlow measured the variation and got a variation with speed of slipping and/or force of over a factor of 10 (if I remember correctly) in the coefficient of friction. Since it is usually assumed to be a constant, that's a major adjustment in the physics model. Players a long time ago had observed the effect which is summarized by "shoot hard and the combo will throw less."
That's a succinct and appropriate statement. Maybe I should ask the even more fundemental question of "why do people NEED a right and wrong in the first place?" Is my cartoon close to the truth in that it is a learned behavior? Or is it human nature in itself? What about feral children?
Wisdom keeps you from having bad experiences but you gain wisdom by having them.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
-- Mark Twain
-- Mark Twain
Remember everything science experimentally speaks of is in a "vacuum". Unfortunately we live in the real world, therefore we need our experiences to guide us through the deviations.
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Exactly which science guy(s) said that CTE can't/doesn't work?
I don't remember the name of the main one as he seldom posts here anymore. Most of those who said it didn't work were those who had to be shown why it would. As in, if you can't show me why it works, it can't.
If you mean Pat Johnson, I think he's on hiatus.
Normally I would inquire further because I think you are quite wrong in your original statement, but considering this is not a CTE thread and I don't think anybody wants it to become one, I will leave it alone for now.
edit: On topic, I trust both. Science can be used to solve anything provided you go in far enough detail. In real life though, there is much room in between what is physically possible on the pool table and what is currently scientifically explainable (the biggest gap I believe is in the area of stroke and body mechanics). A lot of that gap is due to pool being a human game, we cannot execute perfectly every time, therefore we cannot get a perfectly scientific solution for everything that happens. If we could pool would not be interesting at all.
If someone shows me something that works, but I can't figure out why it works, I will use it anyways because I want the best possible advantage in a match.
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From the human nature perspective I think that humans are data reduction machines that search for the simplest solution for predicting future events.
From a scientific perspective I think there are no rights or wrongs, only what works.
But perhaps we travel too far a field for this thread.
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Simply not true.
I can't rep you again yet, I will however do the beer dance. Hopefully this appease the gods.
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If I'm told by a guy like Danny that the wrist snap gives me a little extra something on the CB and I try it and get the same results he does, then that's good enough for me. Pool isn't shot on a wei table.
If I'm told by a guy like Danny that the wrist snap gives me a little extra something on the CB and I try it and get the same results he does, then that's good enough for me. Pool isn't shot on a wei table.