F/S: Pair of Mottey shafts

[cuesrus]

calling all lawyers!

Are there any lawyers, judges or police in the house? Maybe Josh will listen to a legal point of view? If not, then I am at a loss for words. He just doesn't get it! And refuses to listen to anybody that is not with him on the matter...

 

[Nine Ball]

It's considered bad form to post any sort of pm or e-mail, with or without names, on a forum.

JV

Oh stop.. I didn't post any names and nobody will know who it came from. Your just looking for anything at all to pick at. I don't usually do this. You don't have to try and tell me about how to act. I'm sure you'll have some smart comment to write back about this though huh.

 

[Nine Ball]

Just a quick comment on this post. Who ever wrote this has very little integrity and a total lack of cue knowledge. A Half a millimeter is a huge deal. Think of a Southwest cue or any other High end cue skinny shafts translate into no buyers 12.8 mm vs 12.3mm. I also don't like the authors tone when he say's old Joe won't starve. I know that he won't but thats not really the point. Just because someone has a few more bucks than the next guy doesn't make it ok to rip them off or jerk them around. It's very sad that you have chosen to handle it this way as you have had some cues that have peaked my interest. I fear that over the sum of $75-$100 dollars you have done yourself in. I would go and look for my friend and beat the crap out of him because not only does he owe you the $300 He owes you for all your lost revenue on future sales. Definately worth a few missing teeth IMO.

To clear this up. I posted what the PM said not because I was saying this didn't matter and Joe wouldn't starve but because I think Joe didn't have to make this out to be something that it's not. Stating that I lied to him on purpose, That I was making no attempt to make this right, and so on. Which is all untrue. This was never done on purpose and I was doing the best I could to give Joe the amount of money I could at this time. Nobody wants to see that though. Nobody wants to see that I was offering money back to go along with what he sold the shafts for. Nobody wants to see that in the end he would have every penny back. Everyone just wanted to see that Joe is always right. Which is a joke. Because Joe is not always right. Then Joe wants to say he shouldn't have to sell the shafts but JOE is the one who came up with the idea to resell them and then figure up the difference after they were gone. Like I said, Joe was never getting ripped off. In the end Joe would of got every penny back as he is still going to anyway. But Joe and it appears everyone else that had something to say wanted to take the situation to another level and only make things worse. I repeat, Joe was always going to get his money back!

 

[Nine Ball]

Another offer has come in.. you need to send me 130.00 to even it up.

JV

Sounds ok to me Joe. So as I said, In the end you would be getting your money back and you are. Look at what you have caused in the mean time. I'm sure you'll try to put the blame on me but as I said from the start when you first sent me a PM, You will get your money as soon as I can get it back to you. I couldn't give what I didn't have. This is what I meant by bad way to go about business. You blew this way out of proportion and got all these people involved that only made the situation worse. I'm sure you can see the truth in this but will maybe not admit it. Trying to say that I was ripping you off. Do you think if I was trying to rip you off I would of sat here defending myself and offering solutions and money back. If I was trying to rip you off don't you think I would of just strayed away from the thread and offered you nothing? Honestly, If you people don't wish to buy from me because of this matter that was made out to be something that it wasn't then it's not really my loss. I always give great deals. Mostly better prices then can be had from anyone else. That's the truth. 30 flawless transactions compared to one that was made out to be something that it was not and now I can't be trusted? Unreal to me but as I said if nobody wishes to buy from me after this then I guess I really have nothing to say about it. Just blows my mind.

 

[Nine Ball]

The one and only one correct thing for you to do is send Joe $300. plus the shipping he paid to get the shafts and enough to cover the shipping back to you. He should not have to sell the shafts. If he finds a buyer and things don't work out, he can be out even more.

Don't take this as me piling on because I don't do that... but you seem to think everyone here is being unreasonable because they don't agree with your solution to this thing. It's because your solution is DEAD WRONG! Good luck to you in the future...because I think you will need it if you ever list things again on this forum for sale. JMO.

Look, JOE OFFERED the thing of reselling the shafts. Just saying. I think that if I can't give what I don't have at that certain time and I offered what I could give which was $100 towards what he sold the shafts for and to have it still claimed as I'm not making an attempt to make things right is unreasonable! How do you not see that much of it? Of course though no matter what I say I'm wrong it appears.

 

[Nine Ball]

whats really unbelievable is that he thinks his solution is reasonable.

I repeat, If I don't have the $300 to give how can I give it? So I came up with various other ways to solve the situation. Joe offered to have the shafts sold to knock off some of the money, I said I could send $100, and the rest would of been made up as soon as possible. This solution is so unacceptable though. WOW is all I can say!!!

 

[Nine Ball]

That's a great idea, but unfortunately won't happen....because instead of resolving the issue and putting a plan in place to come up with the money quickly (the correct resolution in this case) and then action, Josh chooses to continue this saga (oh, woe is me) and not accept any responsibility.

In the time this has been going he could have immediately sent Joe what he could (if the lack of funds is indeed the case) and outlied specific timeframes to Joe privately for the balance to come. Have known Joe a long time, and he is a very reasonable person.....but after all this public BS, I doubt I would be able to be "reasonable" at this point either. Instead, he seems to think that it's Joe's responsibility to sell the shafts and coordinate/fascilitate everything. I'm sorry, but that should be on him. Plus, now, he's introduced things into this thread to try to take shots at Joe's credibility.

Josh's whole approach in this is just so damn unbelievable I don't know what to say anymore.

As many have mentioned before, age should not be an issue here, but it's truly sad if our youth today truly think this way.....


And Josh, thanks for my negative rep for pointing out you are WRONG.....it's been rewarded 5-fold on the plus-side so far.

Not accepting any responsibility? Yep, That's why I sat here through all this garbage and kept offering money and different ways to resolve the issue. You gave me negative rep and said I was making no attempt to make this right which you were wrong. So I returned the favor and gave you negative rep saying you were causing drama because you were and are......

 

[Nine Ball]

It's funny when you think about it that .5mm on the tip size can affect the saleability (is that a word?) of a shaft that much.

But we ALL know that and anyone with any pool experience knows that. So when selling a shaft, the seller, if he had any understanding that .5mm can make such a difference, would take extra ordinary steps to make sure that the size of the tip was "exactly" what was stated.

"whoops", sorry I was off a little" just doesn't cut it when it comes to tip size.

This was never claimed as a WHOOPS and I know how much of a difference it makes. It's unreal that you people still wish to try and drill me when I have been trying to make things right and in the end he is getting all his money back as I said would happen after my first offer was declined by Joe. SO HE IS GETTING ALL HIS MONEY BACK!! WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE STILL TRYING TO DRILL ME!!!!!!

 

[Nine Ball]

Are there any lawyers, judges or police in the house? Maybe Josh will listen to a legal point of view? If not, then I am at a loss for words. He just doesn't get it! And refuses to listen to anybody that is not with him on the matter...

I don't get it?? I don't understand that the buyer is unhappy and wants a refund?? I didn't have the whole $300 to give him for a refund is why we ended up on here selling the shafts and I make up the difference. Which Joe offered! Why don't I have the whole $300? Because when I listed the shafts the money that came from them was not mine. I understand it all completely. It has just been overlooked by everyone that SOMEONE CAN'T GIVE WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE and that I have been making attempts to resolve the issue.

 

[cuesrus]

I don't get it?? I don't understand that the buyer is unhappy and wants a refund?? I didn't have the whole $300 to give him for a refund is why we ended up on here selling the shafts and I make up the difference. Which Joe offered! Why don't I have the whole $300? Because when I listed the shafts the money that came from them was not mine. I understand it all completely. It has just been overlooked by everyone that SOMEONE CAN'T GIVE WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE and that I have been making attempts to resolve the issue.

Josh,

You know what everybody is bugging you about? In all your responses, you never took the blame. I believe that the AZers were looking that statement- "MY FAULT". It seemed like your buddies fault for lying, Joe's fault for being stubborn, no calipers, etc...
I think if you just said my bad and I will make it right period, nobody could take you to task for that. Just my .02 cents. No bad feelings ok?

ps. I am glad everything worked out.

Rob

 

[classiccues]

Look, JOE OFFERED the thing of reselling the shafts. Just saying. I think that if I can't give what I don't have at that certain time and I offered what I could give which was $100 towards what he sold the shafts for and to have it still claimed as I'm not making an attempt to make things right is unreasonable! How do you not see that much of it? Of course though no matter what I say I'm wrong it appears.

You are stretching the truth. I said for YOU to resell the shafts, and you said it would be better for me to do it because I am "more well known" than you. Let me know about the 130.00 and when its on the way, BUT that is only when the person who is buying them agrees that is they don't like the shafts, the complaint is with YOU, not with me. I don't think at this point anyone is going to want that end of the bargain.

Just to show I am posting a private message showing the conversation:

From : Nine Ball
To :
Date : 2007-01-28 06:09
Title : Re: Mottey Shafts
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Here is a suggestion that might ease your "friends" problem. Relist the two shafts, 12.36 and 12.25 MM. List them for 300.00, or whatever, whatever you get, he will have to come up with the rest. Personally, I don't think you will get any offers, they are to small. But you might. It may also help with the situation.

Joe

Joe,

Please don't try to make it out to seem as I am lying to you about these being my "Friends". I am not lying. Here's another suggestion that I think is better. I do not want to mess with these shafts again in selling them. You post them, Put them up at say 200 for both. I think someone would more then likely buy them from you because of who you are then from me. I in return would be willing to pay out of my own pocket the extra 100 to make it even. I just cant come out of my own pocket 300 at this time to make up for my friend but I could do 100. If they do not sell and my friend does not come up with the money we will speak of the situation one more time. If nothing can be done after that one last talk then you can feel free to say whatever you would like. I also think it would only hurt the sell to speak of negative things about this situation during selling them and because if the situation was resolved you would of tarnished my name anyway when you were not supposed to. I'll await your reply.

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From : Nine Ball
To :
Date : 2007-01-28 09:04
Title : Re: Mottey Shafts
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Josh,
If I relist them its the same as saying that you lied and sold me junk. Because thats what will be implied. I am giving you a chance to do what you need to do.

I will list them as a best offer deal. Because you won't get 200 for them, quite frankly I think they will be luck to get 100. Thin shafts and one has a slight roll, you think me listing them makes them more likely to sell? We'll see...

JV[/QUOTE]


I would think they are worth more then 50 each for sure

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JV

 

[classiccues]

I repeat, Joe was always going to get his money back!

Not one person who read this thread, well except matt_24, believes that.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Josh,

You know what everybody is bugging you about? In all your responses, you never took the blame. I believe that the AZers were looking that statement- "MY FAULT". It seemed like your buddies fault for lying, Joe's fault for being stubborn, no calipers, etc...
I think if you just said my bad and I will make it right period, nobody could take you to task for that. Just my .02 cents. No bad feelings ok?

ps. I am glad everything worked out.

Rob

Rob
WTF are you smoking? Nothing is worked out until I have 300 plus return postage IN MY HAND.

JV

 

[classiccues]

To Roger,
I want you to realize, if you buy the shafts, Josh is now your main contact. Should ANYTHING be wrong with them, you must go to HIM. If this is agreeable, and you send me the money order, and AFTER I receive Josh's money order for 130, I will ship the shafts.
Now I have not checked them for ANYTHING other than diameter. I didn't roll them, I didn't hit any balls with them, I didn't do anything but check the diameter. They are 12.25 and 12.36 respectively.

Joe

 

[classiccues]

Sounds ok to me Joe. So as I said, In the end you would be getting your money back and you are. Look at what you have caused in the mean time. I'm sure you'll try to put the blame on me but as I said from the start when you first sent me a PM, You will get your money as soon as I can get it back to you. I couldn't give what I didn't have. This is what I meant by bad way to go about business. You blew this way out of proportion and got all these people involved that only made the situation worse. I'm sure you can see the truth in this but will maybe not admit it. Trying to say that I was ripping you off. Do you think if I was trying to rip you off I would of sat here defending myself and offering solutions and money back. If I was trying to rip you off don't you think I would of just strayed away from the thread and offered you nothing? Honestly, If you people don't wish to buy from me because of this matter that was made out to be something that it wasn't then it's not really my loss. I always give great deals. Mostly better prices then can be had from anyone else. That's the truth. 30 flawless transactions compared to one that was made out to be something that it was not and now I can't be trusted? Unreal to me but as I said if nobody wishes to buy from me after this then I guess I really have nothing to say about it. Just blows my mind.

Josh,
Here's the "problem" with your solution.. 2 things.. I was always going to be "short" until the money (if) it came, and two you then worded it and outright said that we would both have to take a hit on the transaction. Which isn't a solution and isn't going to happen.

JV

 

[cuesrus]

Rob
WTF are you smoking? Nothing is worked out until I have 300 plus return postage IN MY HAND.

JV

Sorry Joe! I thought the situation was under control...
I don't smoke but I definitely drink!
Rob

 

[Nine Ball]

Josh,

You know what everybody is bugging you about? In all your responses, you never took the blame. I believe that the AZers were looking that statement- "MY FAULT". It seemed like your buddies fault for lying, Joe's fault for being stubborn, no calipers, etc...
I think if you just said my bad and I will make it right period, nobody could take you to task for that. Just my .02 cents. No bad feelings ok?

ps. I am glad everything worked out.

Rob

I have no hard feelings towards anyone. I was just simply defending myself.

 

[Nine Ball]

EVERYONE HAS TO SEE IT NOW. THE SITUATION IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING RESOLVED AND HE STILL WANTS TO KEEP IT GOING. I ALSO DO NOT CARE THAT YOU POSTED MY PM TO YOU, BUT YOU ALSO STATED IN THIS THREAD A FEW POSTS AGO THAT POSTING SOMEONES PRIVATE MESSAGES WAS BAD FORM. I QUOTE YOU " It's considered bad form to post any sort of pm or e-mail, with or without names, on a forum.

JV"

 

[Nine Ball]

To Roger,
I want you to realize, if you buy the shafts, Josh is now your main contact. Should ANYTHING be wrong with them, you must go to HIM. If this is agreeable, and you send me the money order, and AFTER I receive Josh's money order for 130, I will ship the shafts.
Now I have not checked them for ANYTHING other than diameter. I didn't roll them, I didn't hit any balls with them, I didn't do anything but check the diameter. They are 12.25 and 12.36 respectively.

Joe

Joe,

Hold your horses buddy. Do not put these off on me to Roger. You are selling them to recover some of the money on your end so you are the one he should contact. I said I didn't want to try to sell them because I didn't want nothing more to do with them and you would be more likely to sell them because of your name. I want nothing more to do with these shafts as it's been way too much trouble. ONCE I SEND YOU THE $130 WHICH WILL BE DROPPED OFF AT THE POST OFFICE TOMORROW WE ARE DONE. Also, You just stated you did nothing else but check these shafts for the diameter. Let me QUOTE YOU again

"I will list them as a best offer deal. Because you won't get 200 for them, quite frankly I think they will be luck to get 100. Thin shafts and one has a slight roll, you think me listing them makes them more likely to sell? We'll see...

JV[/quote]"


NOW WHOS LYING FOR SAYING THEY DID NOTHING MORE BUT CHECK THE SIZES?????? YOU ALSO CALL YOURSELF A LIAR BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPENING POST TO THIS THREAD IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE ROLLED THEM AND WEIGHED THEM. HAHA..

 

[Nine Ball]

Rob
WTF are you smoking? Nothing is worked out until I have 300 plus return postage IN MY HAND.

JV

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BAD BUSINESS!!! LOOK HOW YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ROB!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THEN TO ACT THAT WAY WHEN YOUR RUNNING A BUSINESS!!! AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ME..