facing a ferrule to change a tip

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I was talking to a cue repairman and he told me that you always have to face off a ferrule when changing a tip. He said this required to make sure that the face is square. He said the worst thing are those round tip grinders

http://www.seyberts.com/cue_accessories/kits/popupimages/deluxe.htm

because people don't know how to use them and they will grind at a angle. You should just rotate each way about one or two degrees. He uses a lathe.

If you have to face the ferrule how many time can you change a tip before you need to change a ferrule? It seems as if some players are constantly changing tips. Is it necessary to face off? I seen one video (Kinister) where he recommended to leave part of the old tip on to use as a base for the glue. Does it matter if the face is square? I would think that after the tip is shaped it wouldn't matter if the base is on a slight angle (.001)

How do you do it?
 
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I always face the ferrule when a new tip goes on...I use a lathe and just dust off enough to clean it up...
 
A razor blade works well, and takes off virtually nothing if used correctly.
 
> I used one of those Tweeten sanders for years,but in a modified form. I used glue-backed 220,and glued it to the top-plate. I then made a plastic insert for the clamp,as it will seriously damage a shaft if not used carefully. I also used a slip of typing paper inside the hole where the post goes,for less wobble. If you are careful,you CAN get a ferrule flat enough to tip with this thing,but do NOT crank it,only use maybe 1/4 rotations,back and forth. I now use an indexable carbide toolholder to do my facing,and usually have to take less than .005. I also use a steel plate,ground myself to ensure total flatness,to check it.


> Not having a sharp enough tool,not having it clamped down tight enough in the chuck,your carriage moving,or not having your steady rest tight enough can all cause a ferrule to NOT be flat,but having a slight high spot in the middle. By all means,check it before you try and glue,either using a lapped plate like mine or by sanding and prepping your tip like normal,and using it to see if there is any side-to-side wiggle. Tommy D.
 
TheBook said:
I was talking to a cue repairman and he told me that you always have to face off a ferrule when changing a tip. He said this required to make sure that the face is square. He said the worst thing are those round tip grinders

http://www.seyberts.com/cue_accessories/kits/popupimages/deluxe.htm

because people don't know how to use them and they will grind at a angle. You should just rotate each way about one or two degrees. He uses a lathe.

If you have to face the ferrule how many time can you change a tip before you need to change a ferrule? It seems as if some players are constantly changing tips. Is it necessary to face off? I seen one video (Kinister) where he recommended to leave part of the old tip on to use as a base for the glue. Does it matter if the face is square? I would think that after the tip is shaped it wouldn't matter if the base is on a slight angle (.001)

How do you do it?
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I always face the ferrule. But when you do it you only take a few thousands off the ferrule. I would estimate you could do it hundreds of times before you ran out of ferrule.
 
For those of you who have not seen Sheldon's video, it is absolutely the best method out there, IMO. You very easily see how to get the best of both worlds. You get a flat, square surface to glue your tip to, and you don't have to shorten the ferrule any to get it.


Sheldon, maybe you should post it again. I would look it up if I had the time and really knew how. Maybe someone could put in a link to that thread.

Anyway, Thanks to Sheldon for sharing his methods with the world.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
For those of you who have not seen Sheldon's video, it is absolutely the best method out there, IMO. You very easily see how to get the best of both worlds. You get a flat, square surface to glue your tip to, and you don't have to shorten the ferrule any to get it.


Sheldon, maybe you should post it again. I would look it up if I had the time and really knew how. Maybe someone could put in a link to that thread.

Anyway, Thanks to Sheldon for sharing his methods with the world.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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http://lebowcustomcue.home.comcast.net/VIDEO.zip
 
almer said:
I cant get this to play,what am i doing wrong?
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Does the window open up? if so pick open in a compressed folder then unzip it...
 

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almer said:
I cant get this to play,what am i doing wrong?
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Since you did not provide us with any details about your problem, I am guessing that you do not have the divx codec on your system, or do not have a suitable player.
I highly recommend VLC player, it will pretty much play ANYTHING you throw at it, with no codecs required.
Or, you could install the codec that comes in the zip file, which should allow you to view the file in windows media player, etc.
 
Sheldon,
Great video...I have seen that before! I understand YOUR methodology too.

TECHNICALLY....I THINK the video does show a bit of the ferrule being removed??...or what is the "white" I am seeing after the tip is fully removed?

Not trying to start ANYTHING...just an observation buddy:D

I face all my ferrules when replacing a tip...just dust 'em though....

everyone...TGIF RIGHT??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Chris
 
Poulos Cues said:
Sheldon,
Great video...I have seen that before! I understand YOUR methodology too.

TECHNICALLY....I THINK the video does show a bit of the ferrule being removed??...or what is the "white" I am seeing after the tip is fully removed?

Not trying to start ANYTHING...just an observation buddy:D

I face all my ferrules when replacing a tip...just dust 'em though....

everyone...TGIF RIGHT??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Chris
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I believe Sheldon has stated before that the cue he is working on in the video is a house cue, so he wasn't terribly concerned with that for that particular job.

Kelly
 
Sheldon said:
Since you did not provide us with any details about your problem, I am guessing that you do not have the divx codec on your system, or do not have a suitable player.
I highly recommend VLC player, it will pretty much play ANYTHING you throw at it, with no codecs required.
Or, you could install the codec that comes in the zip file, which should allow you to view the file in windows media player, etc.
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Thanks for help,got it open
 
The cue in the video is a house stick, and I treat them a LOT rougher than a normal cue. More care should be taken on jobs worth more than $3.50. :D
 
Sheldon said:
The cue in the video is a house stick, and I treat them a LOT rougher than a normal cue. More care should be taken on jobs worth more than $3.50. :D
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I thought so! Thanks! Did not know catch this info up front for some reason.....It's just the annoying critical side of me that jumps out from time to time-----:D :D

Have a wonderful weekend!
Chris
 
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