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I’d say there are at least two ways of thinking about this situation. Some would say, so what? It’s only a game. The guys playing by himself. It didn’t cost anybody a match, a title, some cheese. Boys will be boys. What’s the big deal?

Others would expect truth, honesty and integrity in return for the truth, honesty and integrity that they give – especially from people they choose to interact with regularly. Myself, I’m a purist when it comes to pool and when it comes to the type of people I choose to associate with. And I don’t feel that I’m alone in my values, judging by the type of guys (and girls) I see posting to this forum regularly. So my opinion of this guy and his actions is obvious. Although I didn’t know him, never talked to him, but read his posts from time to time, after the first episode I made a conscience decision not to get to know him, talk to him or spend any more of my time reading his posts. He violated the trust of many people who considered him “a friend”. I viewed him as simply not the type of guy I would like to associate with.

After the latest episode, I’d say it’s gone too far to remain silent. The level of ignorance and stupidity to do this a second time is astounding. I’d say it may even border on being a psychosis or an unhealthy compulsion. Which may be fine, as many of us enjoy gambling, which the same can be said about. But when the sickness or compulsion involves violating the trust of people who trust you; people who consider you a friend; people who stuck up for you in the past, then your problem has turned into the whole community’s problem.

I don’t know what recourse can be taken against him. Ban him temporarily, for life, whatever. It doesn’t matter to me. Whether he’s here or not; to me, he doesn’t exist. As before, I won’t read his posts, I won’t talk to him, I won’t message him if I’ll be in his area to try and get together to play some, I won’t watch his videos; he’ll simply not exist.

The reason for establishing and coming to a forum like this and joining in on the dialogue is to share common interests and thoughts. To feel camaraderie with people who have similar interests and values. If that’s denied him, then his reason for being here will evaporate and hopefully he’ll move on. Although I’m not a huge contributor to the forum I do read every thread and have formed some friendships here. I value this forum, what it offers to me and the game/sport that I thoroughly enjoy. And I would like nothing but to protect the integrity of the forum as well as the sport. That’s why I feel the way I feel about this moron. He’s the type that’s bad for the sport, bad for the forum and bad to have as a friend. I hope I didn’t offend anyone.

All the best guys,


Ron F
 
Ron F said:
I’d say there are at least two ways of thinking about this situation. Some would say, so what? It’s only a game. The guys playing by himself. It didn’t cost anybody a match, a title, some cheese. Boys will be boys. What’s the big deal?

Others would expect truth, honesty and integrity in return for the truth, honesty and integrity that they give – especially from people they choose to interact with regularly. Myself, I’m a purist when it comes to pool and when it comes to the type of people I choose to associate with. And I don’t feel that I’m alone in my values, judging by the type of guys (and girls) I see posting to this forum regularly. So my opinion of this guy and his actions is obvious. Although I didn’t know him, never talked to him, but read his posts from time to time, after the first episode I made a conscience decision not to get to know him, talk to him or spend any more of my time reading his posts. He violated the trust of many people who considered him “a friend”. I viewed him as simply not the type of guy I would like to associate with.

After the latest episode, I’d say it’s gone too far to remain silent. The level of ignorance and stupidity to do this a second time is astounding. I’d say it may even border on being a psychosis or an unhealthy compulsion. Which may be fine, as many of us enjoy gambling, which the same can be said about. But when the sickness or compulsion involves violating the trust of people who trust you; people who consider you a friend; people who stuck up for you in the past, then your problem has turned into the whole community’s problem.

I don’t know what recourse can be taken against him. Ban him temporarily, for life, whatever. It doesn’t matter to me. Whether he’s here or not; to me, he doesn’t exist. As before, I won’t read his posts, I won’t talk to him, I won’t message him if I’ll be in his area to try and get together to play some, I won’t watch his videos; he’ll simply not exist.

The reason for establishing and coming to a forum like this and joining in on the dialogue is to share common interests and thoughts. To feel camaraderie with people who have similar interests and values. If that’s denied him, then his reason for being here will evaporate and hopefully he’ll move on. Although I’m not a huge contributor to the forum I do read every thread and have formed some friendships here. I value this forum, what it offers to me and the game/sport that I thoroughly enjoy. And I would like nothing but to protect the integrity of the forum as well as the sport. That’s why I feel the way I feel about this moron. He’s the type that’s bad for the sport, bad for the forum and bad to have as a friend. I hope I didn’t offend anyone.

All the best guys,


Ron F
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Tap, Tap, Tap !!! very well said...Thanks !!!
 
I am not wasting any more of my Breath or Thoughts on this..I Am Done !!

If we could only have these types of discussions about the game we all love this forum would be so much more active....

I Say We Start That Now !!!

-Steve
 
stevekur1 said:
I am not wasting any more of my Breath or Thoughts on this..I Am Done !!

If we could only have these types of discussions about the game we all love this forum would be so much more active....

I Say We Start That Now !!!

-Steve
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ironically, that's what you said the last time in support of sascha which emboldened him to stay. if you don't wish to post on this topic, it's very easy to not do so.

wink: thanks for that link!
 
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sausage said:
ironically, that's what you said the last time in support of sascha which emboldened him to stay. if you don't wish to post on this topic, it's very easy to not do so.

wink: thanks for that link!
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Too Funny, you are gonna hang that one over my head. Not Freakin Surprised !


What i was saying was a metaphore, because i have said all that i have had to say on this sascha incident. I am one of the first guys to get spit on by sascha since i am the one who still friended him.

He even attached my name to the latest Phony run, almost like i gave him consent to call it a solid run.

In the same respect, ummm who is the one that Debunked his latest snafu ?

-Steve
 
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when dennis said "steve" i didn't know which steve but i give you all the credit in the world for outing him. that was difficult to see. what's really strange though is that sascha is a good player. had he posted that video and said that he botched a good run by missing a routine long-shot and shot it over, we'd have been impressed by his shooting acumen despite the miss. instead, now his name is "mud".
 
One Last Thing

I still wonder & I still can not believe he did what he did. After all that went down five months ago and the apologies that he had written to everyone.
There is a deeper problem there besides being a cheater, it's a shame.
If he wanted people to recognize him, he has it now with all the hits to the recent Threads. I wonder if he ever realized what players from Germany
would think. There has to be others on AZ. I know one for sure: Ratta, who I have the utmost respect for and I hope comes visits me here in the US some day. Again, did he ever wonder what players that he can easily come in contact with will perceive of him?
It is too bad that a person can bring such shame down on themselves.
It is hard to understand.
 
At least you "manned up" by giving him that second chance to begin with

14-1StraightMan said:
I still wonder & I still can not believe he did what he did. After all that went down five months ago and the apologies that he had written to everyone.
There is a deeper problem there besides being a cheater, it's a shame.
If he wanted people to recognize him, he has it now with all the hits to the recent Threads. I wonder if he ever realized what players from Germany
would think. There has to be others on AZ. I know one for sure: Ratta, who I have the utmost respect for and I hope comes visits me here in the US some day. Again, did he ever wonder what players that he can easily come in contact with will perceive of him?
It is too bad that a person can bring such shame down on themselves.
It is hard to understand.
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Mike:

Thanks for your thoughts on this. One thought from me, that I think is very important, for people not to BLAME THEMSELVES for offering Sascha another chance. Mike, I recall that you had written somewhere, in some thread (apologies that I can't recall off the top of my head -- I'm at work, only hitting AZB on 5 min breaks) that you "regret" accepting Sascha's apologies, you "regret" giving him another chance, you "feel stupid" that you did so, that you (and others) "have egg on our faces," etc.

I need to tell you, as a friend, that you SHOULDN'T FEEL THIS WAY. Don't *ever* feel that giving someone another chance is a foolish thing to do. Sure, you/Steve/myself/others feel like we've been cheated by offering Sascha another chance, but you fail to realize one thing -- that you gave him the chance, and *he* (not you, not Steve, not I, not others) f***ed it up. It's his bad, not ours. Don't EVER take this onto your shoulders! You'll be an old, craggy, naggy, haggard, spiteful, hateful, distrustful, "the world sucks" old man. And I know you're not.

Those on this forum that think they're looking like geniuses because they wrote-off Sascha during the first mistake, are surely headed on that haggard road I just mentioned.

I take pride that I gave Sascha another chance. I get up in the morning, look myself in the mirror, and I smile. Because I know it was Sascha's bad, not mine. I was gracious enough to give him another chance, to stand up for him, and it were *he* who chose to throw that away. I can now confidently say that I will never again trust a video or a high-run claim by Sascha, because at least I gave him the chance of the world -- the chance to correct himself. And he chose to squander it.

Anyway, enough from the pulpit. I hope it's helpful advice. You should be proud that you were man enough to give Sascha that second chance. You "manned up" and it was *he*, not you, who proved to be less.

Congrats to you, Steve, and the others that at least "manned up" and gave Sascha that second chance.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Mike:

Thanks for your thoughts on this. One thought from me, that I think is very important, for people not to BLAME THEMSELVES for offering Sascha another chance. Mike, I recall that you had written somewhere, in some thread (apologies that I can't recall off the top of my head -- I'm at work, only hitting AZB on 5 min breaks) that you "regret" accepting Sascha's apologies, you "regret" giving him another chance, you "feel stupid" that you did so, that you (and others) "have egg on our faces," etc.

I need to tell you, as a friend, that you SHOULDN'T FEEL THIS WAY. Don't *ever* feel that giving someone another chance is a foolish thing to do. Sure, you/Steve/myself/others feel like we've been cheated by offering Sascha another chance, but you fail to realize one thing -- that you gave him the chance, and *he* (not you, not Steve, not I, not others) f***ed it up. It's his bad, not ours. Don't EVER take this onto your shoulders! You'll be an old, craggy, naggy, haggard, spiteful, hateful, distrustful, "the world sucks" old man. And I know you're not.

Those on this forum that think they're looking like geniuses because they wrote-off Sascha during the first mistake, are surely headed on that haggard road I just mentioned.

I take pride that I gave Sascha another chance. I get up in the morning, look myself in the mirror, and I smile. Because I know it was Sascha's bad, not mine. I was gracious enough to give him another chance, to stand up for him, and it were *he* who chose to throw that away. I can now confidently say that I will never again trust a video or a high-run claim by Sascha, because at least I gave him the chance of the world -- the chance to correct himself. And he chose to squander it.

Anyway, enough from the pulpit. I hope it's helpful advice. You should be proud that you were man enough to give Sascha that second chance. You "manned up" and it was *he*, not you, who proved to be less.

Congrats to you, Steve, and the others that at least "manned up" and gave Sascha that second chance.

-Sean
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Sean:

I agree that you fellows shouldn't beat yourself up about going the extra mile for the old Saschman. My altar boy upbringing almost had me leaning in that direction myself but I just could not act as though nothing had happened.

I do not think myself a genius for picking the course I did, so I hope I will not go down that old haggard road that you menfolk seem to be avoiding.

At least the air is clear now.

Dennis
 
IMO, the only person Sascha has betrayed is himself. In the long run, his dishonesty will only effect him, not any of us. Someday, he may actually run 150, and nobody will give a shitt either way. I think that's punishment enough, however, I find it sad for somebody with so much potential to have to subject themselves to all of that.

:shrug:
 
dmgwalsh said:
Sean:

I agree that you fellows shouldn't beat yourself up about going the extra mile for the old Saschman. My altar boy upbringing almost had me leaning in that direction myself but I just could not act as though nothing had happened.

I do not think myself a genius for picking the course I did, so I hope I will not go down that old haggard road that you menfolk seem to be avoiding.

At least the air is clear now.

Dennis
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Dennis:

My point was two-fold:

1. For those that gave Sascha a chance to stop beating themselves up about it.

2. For those that DIDN'T give him second chance, to stop throwing it in the face of those who did; i.e. the "nyeh, nyeh -- told ya so!" playground taunts, solely for the purpose of rubbing it in that person's face.

But yup, the air is clear, for sure. For one thing, the foul stink of corruption, treachery, and deception has had time to waft away. We're still talking about it, but it's a non-issue now. He's gone, so let's move on.

Let's let these "fake photos" and other threads on the same topic just fall to the bottom. Don't contribute to them. (Yeah, yeah, I know there's a couple in category #2 that just won't give it up, and they'll keep the threads fresh by contributing to it, because they need continuous "you did good" patting/stroking on the back of the head.)

Looking forward to some interesting *on topic* threads!
-Sean
 
i'm not "throwing" anything, Sean boy.

memories fade too quickly.... sascha was not at all contrite after the first cheating episode and i found his apology hollow. he was then emboldened by the showing of support and went on the offensive EXACTLY like he did after getting caught the second time. he befriended some heavy hitters here and even got a free lesson from john. what he did, showed a complete lack of respect and bald-faced stupidity thinking that he's going to fool the greatest 14.1 players on the planet, not to mention some gifted amateurs . this is why i came to the conclusion long ago that this was NOT "just a mistake" but a character flaw and why i felt he should leave. stating such, i got the grief that sascha should have gotten but i'm hardly crowing about it.

like it or not, my experience with people has made me a pretty good judge of character. this forum is a microcosm of the world with all the little backstabbing, winks & nods and politics that make human existence a drudgery. i don't play the game. my honest tell-it-like-it-is-approach isn't earning me many friends but i'm sure it's getting me some respect. if that bothers some members, so be it....
 
Thanks

sfleinen said:
Mike:

Thanks for your thoughts on this. One thought from me, that I think is very important, for people not to BLAME THEMSELVES for offering Sascha another chance. Mike, I recall that you had written somewhere, in some thread (apologies that I can't recall off the top of my head -- I'm at work, only hitting AZB on 5 min breaks) that you "regret" accepting Sascha's apologies, you "regret" giving him another chance, you "feel stupid" that you did so, that you (and others) "have egg on our faces," etc.

I need to tell you, as a friend, that you SHOULDN'T FEEL THIS WAY. Don't *ever* feel that giving someone another chance is a foolish thing to do. Sure, you/Steve/myself/others feel like we've been cheated by offering Sascha another chance, but you fail to realize one thing -- that you gave him the chance, and *he* (not you, not Steve, not I, not others) f***ed it up. It's his bad, not ours. Don't EVER take this onto your shoulders! You'll be an old, craggy, naggy, haggard, spiteful, hateful, distrustful, "the world sucks" old man. And I know you're not.

Those on this forum that think they're looking like geniuses because they wrote-off Sascha during the first mistake, are surely headed on that haggard road I just mentioned.

I take pride that I gave Sascha another chance. I get up in the morning, look myself in the mirror, and I smile. Because I know it was Sascha's bad, not mine. I was gracious enough to give him another chance, to stand up for him, and it were *he* who chose to throw that away. I can now confidently say that I will never again trust a video or a high-run claim by Sascha, because at least I gave him the chance of the world -- the chance to correct himself. And he chose to squander it.

Anyway, enough from the pulpit. I hope it's helpful advice. You should be proud that you were man enough to give Sascha that second chance. You "manned up" and it was *he*, not you, who proved to be less.

Congrats to you, Steve, and the others that at least "manned up" and gave Sascha that second chance.

-Sean
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Sean, thanks for the comments. You are right on when it comes to the way I was feeling. As old as I am getting and the things that I have experience in my life. I am still a sucker for a good sob story. Like I said before, I am glad that we gave him a chance and now his true colors came out. He is not the first person that has stabbed me in the back. After-wards, I always say to myself, I need to be more cold when it comes to helping others but then there I go. I will say that the back stabbers are a very small percent of the people who appreciate others.

Sausage, yes I do remember you stating that his apology was hollow and I thought to myself that you are probably right but I just had too stick with him. Your comments are appreciated too.
 
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sausage said:
i'm not "throwing" anything, Sean boy.
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Sausage, how do you know I was even talking about you? Was it the "nyeh, nyeh, playground taunts" part, or was it the "always needing continuous 'you did good' patting/stroking on the back of the head" part?

sausage said:
memories fade too quickly.... sascha was not at all contrite after the first cheating episode and i found his apology hollow. he was then emboldened by the showing of support and went on the offensive EXACTLY like he did after getting caught the second time. he befriended some heavy hitters here and even got a free lesson from john. what he did, showed a complete lack of respect and bald-faced stupidity thinking that he's going to fool the greatest 14.1 players on the planet, not to mention some gifted amateurs . this is why i came to the conclusion long ago that this was NOT "just a mistake" but a character flaw and why i felt he should leave. stating such, i got the grief that sascha should have gotten but i'm hardly crowing about it.
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Oh, yes you are crowing about it! And you know it. Nice try, though.

Sausage, the point is there are some very intelligent people here (current company included -- and yes, I mean you). We don't need the constant "reminders" and cajoling about what constitutes bad behavior, why Sascha showed a complete lack of respect to the 14.1 playing giants on here, etc. We get it. And we got it, long ago -- you made sure of that with your constant "reminders" and cajoling. (That, by the way, is what got you the negative attention here on this topic, not Sascha's perceived [by you] hollow apology -- many of us got sick of the skipping record treatment.)

sausage said:
like it or not, my experience with people has made me a pretty good judge of character. this forum is a microcosm of the world with all the little backstabbing, winks & nods and politics that make human existence a drudgery. i don't play the game. my honest tell-it-like-it-is-approach isn't earning me many friends but i'm sure it's getting me some respect. if that bothers some members, so be it....
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Sausage, how many times are you going to "remind" us of how good you are in judging people's character? It's like you seem to have an inherent need for acknowledgment or something. We got it the first time. You don't have to keep going on and on here, patting and stroking yourself on the back of the head of how good you are in judging people's character, of how you "don't play the game," of how you tell it like it is, of how human existence is such a drudgery, etc.

Please, take a chill pill. Roll a bone or something.
-Sean

[...as Sean ponders whether he made a mistake with the "roll a bone" suggestion -- whether it's going to trigger another "bootjacking gubmint gestapo" diatribe...]
 
sean boy: look, i don't have time nor patience for your pseudo intellectual blather. i'm putting you on my ignore list with, The Goon.
 
sausage said:
sean boy: look, i don't have time nor patience for your pseudo intellectual blather. i'm putting you on my ignore list with, The Goon.
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Fine. I don't have the time or patience for your conspiracy-theorist hocked-up goober views. *plonk* to the ignore list you go.
 
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