Fake Talisman Tips
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kokopuffs said:
Why would anyone copy such a bad product? I have had nothing but problems, with these tps. They are very temperamental & delaminate easily. On the other hand I have never had a problem with Tiger products. I' stick with the Tiger. Just my experience...JER
Ditto...the only I have ever had that delaminated was a Tiger.
I will say that Talisman's customer service is over the top good. They once sent me the wrong hardness so with an e-mail they overnughted DOUBLE my original order of the right hardness and asked me to keep the original wrong hardness tips.
LWW
I will say that Talisman's customer service is over the top good. They once sent me the wrong hardness so with an e-mail they overnughted DOUBLE my original order of the right hardness and asked me to keep the original wrong hardness tips.
LWW
I tried the Talsimans and they dont compete (in my opinion) with the Moori tips .... I tried all the different tips but had serious miscue issues with them........ I have heard of installation problems but havent had any with my own experience......... I am a dealer for them also and have always had great customer service with any order i have placed.....
pooldogue said:
Last year for about six months Talisman had a problem with all of their tips delaminating. The problem has been fixed for about six or eight months now. A humidity gauge was giveing an incorrect reading in their drying room for awhile so that tips they thought were dry, were being sealed when actually were not dry enough yet. I've put on about a 125 since then with no delaminations. As far as I'm concerned, there is no better tip. I install about 350 to 400 of them a year and if they wouldn't last so long I'd double that.
Dick
Yes i understand some people havent had any issues with them but as far as i can see they DONT compare to the Mooris i use ...... As far as delamination i havent had an issue with delamination although i know people who have........ The issue i have is i miscue with the Talimans and i do not miscue with Mooris........
kokopuffs said:
Hi kokopuffs, by looking at your bio, I don't see that you are a repairman or cuemaker. I will try to explain MY problems with the Talisman tips. I have been installing Tiger tips for about 10 years. I never had any problem with them & never even heard of the word "delamination". I trim them as I do any tip & use a liquid with an ammonia base, on the edge of all my tips before burnishing. With the Tiger tips, I use the same lathe speed, as I do for the nonlaminated tip. Both edge trimming & shaping go smoothly. Since I'm always looking for something "NEW & IMPROVED" I bought some Talisman tips, in the various hardnesses to try. The 1st one I installed flew into several pieces when I tried to trim the edge. I tried again & the same thing happened. Then I thought that the lathe speed might be too fast. Going much slower than my normal speed, I tried a 3rd time. It worked,but when I tryed to shape the SQUARE ended tip, I had the layers pealing off. Finally with the lathe running, at a VERY SLOW SPEED, I succesfully got a good looking tip. I couldn't wait, til I got to the pool hall to try it out. Within an hour, several layers flew off, when I broke. I relayed these problems, on the BILLIARDS DIGEST site & I got an e-mail from the guy that owns the Talisman company. He sent me ,free of charge, about 20 tips to try, saying that there had been a problem & it was now solved. He also said not to use a felt tip pen, to color the edge with. Also don't use any kind of burnishing liquid as it would cause delamination. NO GOOD..... SAME PROBLEMS. I went back to my Tiger tips, at fast speed, same shapper, colored edge & burnisher liquid. NO PROBLEMS. After all of this, why would I use the tips that I can't trust, in favor of a tip that gives me nothing but good service. Talisman sent me some pre-shaped tips, that were better than the square topped ones. Out of 10 I had 3 come back with 1/2 of the tip missing. I can honestly say I tryed to give talisman a fair trial....BUT THEY FAILED...JER
Blackheart:
I'm great when it comes to gunsmithing 45's (using just flies and stones) and bringing up to stock condition old Dodges, and I retip my own cue manually.
Never has a Talisman delaminated on me. I use the Tweeten tool for facing the ferrule and super glue gel as an adhesive. I know, dammit, it ain't a lathe! Once the adhesive has dried, I trim the tip - using an xacto knife - flush with the ferrule. Burnishing is not executed chemically. Rather, I use barroom coaster, that little cardboard job setting underneath your drink by rubbing it horizontally (in other words parallel) with respect to the ferrule's face and it works nicely to achieve a shiney burnished gloss.
Perhaps you got a bad batch of T-tips and me no.
And I've never miscued using a Talisman tip. Never.
I'm great when it comes to gunsmithing 45's (using just flies and stones) and bringing up to stock condition old Dodges, and I retip my own cue manually.
Never has a Talisman delaminated on me. I use the Tweeten tool for facing the ferrule and super glue gel as an adhesive. I know, dammit, it ain't a lathe! Once the adhesive has dried, I trim the tip - using an xacto knife - flush with the ferrule. Burnishing is not executed chemically. Rather, I use barroom coaster, that little cardboard job setting underneath your drink by rubbing it horizontally (in other words parallel) with respect to the ferrule's face and it works nicely to achieve a shiney burnished gloss.
Perhaps you got a bad batch of T-tips and me no.
And I've never miscued using a Talisman tip. Never.
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matthew staton
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I do all my own tips bye hand and only use layered tips .Tailsmans are cake to put on with my porper big shaver.I have used about 10 moori tips and hated them they were to hard and seemed to get glossy realy quick. I have had 2 of them delaminate on my break cue that's the only cue, I will put a moori on. I have done about 40 or 50 tailsmans pigskin and never had any problem except for one going flat after some play other wise the tips hold up very well and last in my opinion.I been using a H2 layer tip done 20 of them and the guys seem to love them and man they hold chalk very well but are a little on the soft side.I have bought some tiger layered tips and have not tryed them yet.I have used a few dinomite tips and they were ok.I would say try some h2 tips there a good every day tip and there realy cheap for a layered tip even a few guys I no who hate layered tips because they say there to hard liked the h2 tips. I am no cue maker thoe ,but I do like to try every thing.
I've never in my life had problems with Talisman tips, or Tiger for that matter....I think you just got some real bad luck with them....
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Talisman
I don't know about everyone here but I am with Mr. Eick. I have had 5 talismans installed in a row. 2 of them delaminating on the lathe of my local cue repair man. He did the same thing as Jerry, slowed down the speed and got one to come out ok. As he always does he tells me to hit some balls and see how it holds. I was his first talisman customer and his last. I tried to shape the cue after about a week. They just flaked off. The tip did play pretty good, but I never had it that long. Went back 2 more times with no avail. As for Tiger. That guy will stand buy every single tip he makes. They are very good tips and I have yet to have a problem with them. My fav tip is the sniper. in a close second would be dynomite tips. They are cheap but they are awesome. Tiger makes an excellent product and talisman lost faith in me as a customer when i had 5 tips delaminate on me. If some one would send me one that didn't delaminate. I would still be weary. It would take several tips to win me over. JMHO
Tony
I don't know about everyone here but I am with Mr. Eick. I have had 5 talismans installed in a row. 2 of them delaminating on the lathe of my local cue repair man. He did the same thing as Jerry, slowed down the speed and got one to come out ok. As he always does he tells me to hit some balls and see how it holds. I was his first talisman customer and his last. I tried to shape the cue after about a week. They just flaked off. The tip did play pretty good, but I never had it that long. Went back 2 more times with no avail. As for Tiger. That guy will stand buy every single tip he makes. They are very good tips and I have yet to have a problem with them. My fav tip is the sniper. in a close second would be dynomite tips. They are cheap but they are awesome. Tiger makes an excellent product and talisman lost faith in me as a customer when i had 5 tips delaminate on me. If some one would send me one that didn't delaminate. I would still be weary. It would take several tips to win me over. JMHO
Tony
I quit using the Talisman tips altogether. After seeing the centers pop out on the ones I had purchased, I gave up on them & started using Stratos extra hard and Tsunami hard tips on my playing cue shafts. I had them installed last August & they've done very well for me so far. Both tips are better than the Talisman offerings in my opinion.
Another thing I have noticed about the Talisman tips is that they seem to lose their shape much too readily. I've had the Stratos & Tsunami tips on my cue shafts since last August & I've not had to take a shaper or scuffer to them at all.
Another thing I have noticed about the Talisman tips is that they seem to lose their shape much too readily. I've had the Stratos & Tsunami tips on my cue shafts since last August & I've not had to take a shaper or scuffer to them at all.
I've installed hundreds of Talisman tips, and other than the ones that were not properly cured, the only ones that delamaminate are due to the cusomers messing with them. There are some people that just can't or wont learn to properly care for a tip. Just as there are some repair people that will not or can not adjust their methods, so the tip is not for everyone. I continue to use Talisman as my standard tip, and it is what I play with.
So everyone just has to revolve around Talisman tips in order to get what a great tip this supposedly is? Every other tip can accomate to the customers and the cue makers and repair men out there. But if you have to screw with it to a certain extent to get it's full potential then I certainly don't want any part of them. Every other tip can do it but since we (the customers & lifetime pool players) can't understand how to mess with a talisman tip than maybe they should stop making tips. Maybe I got a bad batch. alright, but I won't try them again unless they are given to me and someone pays for another tip for me if I don't like it. Good luck with them. I can't seem to get them as a pool player and a layered tip customer. I like to put my tip on, play with it for a while. use a tip pick and every now and then scuff the tip then I want a tip that will last and I don't need to be constantly taking care of. JMHO.
Tony
Tony
I'm sure that most people know this, but you really have to be carefull how you use those Tip Piks. they are a great tool, I use one myself, because I prefer the moori hards for My shooting tip, sometimes they don't like to hold chalk, so get kind of shiny as mentioned, and this tool is perfect for that without scuffing the tip all up. you cannot twist with this tool though, I have seen more tips come off or delaminate, then I'd like to, because these tools were used improperly. I have even done it myself when they first came out, before I understood how they work.
As for the tips in question, one of the time frames I saw mentioned about a bad batch sounds about right to me. a year or 2 back I talked to tony, about setting up to buy from him, because the word out was the tips were good. I found him to be a very polite & helpfull, and I am sure he is a standup guy like some have mentioned. Enough so that I was ready to start dealing with him, and still wish it had worked out. Well all of a sudden I started getting people coming to me that had someone else put one on for them, and they were even delaminating, or just all mushed up, and shaping was like trying to comb an untamed hairdoo. They liked the way they played, but they were'nt holding up for them. That turned me off to the idea of carrying them. I have continued to hear good things about them, but that's been a 2-way street, so I have continued to shy away. It's possible that the problem's solved, but I don't want to spend hard earned money to take the risk Myself, or put anything on a customers cue that I can't atleast somewhat stand behind. It's not just the price of the tip that's an issue, I have labor involed, even If I just have to keep trimming or reshaping for the customer, and not actually have to change the tip. I may be willing to try some of the medium or hards still just to see, because it sounds like what I saw may be the result of the bad batches, but think I'm staying away from the softs. If I can stand behind the tips, then I might use them. I am using simular methods to what sheldon uses, and sounds like he is having success, so possible I just need to give them a second chance.
Mooris- I have heard of a few delaminating, but I know I'm atleast in the high hundreds, if not well in the thousands by now, and only had that happen once to me from what I remember. The time it happened I had pressed the tip, so that may have even played a part in It, altough I have pressed many without that happening, so who knows.
Tiger has many type tips, and altough I have'nt carried them up till now, I am considering It. I used to shoot with their everest, and really liked them back then.
I do aggree with what was said about different tips requiring different methods, and alot of situations may be related to that. One common thing I noticed here Is alot of handtipping guys saying they have had success, so that maybe food for thought.
Greg
As for the tips in question, one of the time frames I saw mentioned about a bad batch sounds about right to me. a year or 2 back I talked to tony, about setting up to buy from him, because the word out was the tips were good. I found him to be a very polite & helpfull, and I am sure he is a standup guy like some have mentioned. Enough so that I was ready to start dealing with him, and still wish it had worked out. Well all of a sudden I started getting people coming to me that had someone else put one on for them, and they were even delaminating, or just all mushed up, and shaping was like trying to comb an untamed hairdoo. They liked the way they played, but they were'nt holding up for them. That turned me off to the idea of carrying them. I have continued to hear good things about them, but that's been a 2-way street, so I have continued to shy away. It's possible that the problem's solved, but I don't want to spend hard earned money to take the risk Myself, or put anything on a customers cue that I can't atleast somewhat stand behind. It's not just the price of the tip that's an issue, I have labor involed, even If I just have to keep trimming or reshaping for the customer, and not actually have to change the tip. I may be willing to try some of the medium or hards still just to see, because it sounds like what I saw may be the result of the bad batches, but think I'm staying away from the softs. If I can stand behind the tips, then I might use them. I am using simular methods to what sheldon uses, and sounds like he is having success, so possible I just need to give them a second chance.
Mooris- I have heard of a few delaminating, but I know I'm atleast in the high hundreds, if not well in the thousands by now, and only had that happen once to me from what I remember. The time it happened I had pressed the tip, so that may have even played a part in It, altough I have pressed many without that happening, so who knows.
Tiger has many type tips, and altough I have'nt carried them up till now, I am considering It. I used to shoot with their everest, and really liked them back then.
I do aggree with what was said about different tips requiring different methods, and alot of situations may be related to that. One common thing I noticed here Is alot of handtipping guys saying they have had success, so that maybe food for thought.
Greg
I know some pool players use the tip pik improperly, BUt I have yet to use it in a twisting manner as i'm sure that would tear up any tip. I just thought of how to use it and I guess I was right. None of my tips were torn up by my tip pik. But as for the tiger's, I really suggest that you start soing businesss with him. He stands behind everything he does. It would be your loss not to carry them. But the ultimate choice is up to you of course.
Tony
Tony
Mystick Cue Fan said:
Yeah, I figured that by the fact that you mentioned scuffing the tip. most of the people that use the pik improperly usually think of It as if It's a shaper or scuffer at first, so was'nt suggesting that you or anyone else did, It just reminded me of seeing that happen with one of the tips in question, and with the subject being what it is here, I thought it may be of help for those that did'nt already know. They can delaminate a tip, as I'm sure you are aware of, and that could be an expensive lesson for some that like the higher dollar tips.
Thanks, I'll will probably start carrying them this next year. I have always like the products. Really not sure why I waited this long to offer them. better late then never I suppose.
Greg
I've just gotten in the past couple of weeks a few Hard and Medium WB Talismans to try.
It's weird, when trimming (on lathe w/ razor blade) they cut like butter.
Shaping was a breeze, so much so that i screwed the first one up.
I'll see how long they last we ME using them.
Jon
It's weird, when trimming (on lathe w/ razor blade) they cut like butter.
Shaping was a breeze, so much so that i screwed the first one up
.I'll see how long they last we ME using them
.Jon