Fargo Question. Rating going up without playing.

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Can your rating change based on how your previous opponents play in current matches even though you havent played?

Example: My fargo just went up 2 points and I didnt play in anything that reported to fargo recently. All my previous matches from the last time I played were entered and have been displaying for months. I know it's not a big jump or anything, just curious why it would change on it's own and that's the only thing I could think of.

I'm sure this has been answered before, but searching provided too many results.
 
I certainly know nothing about Fargo but college football rankings included strength of schedule as a factor. If you win a game early in the season and that team goes on to beat highly ranked teams, your team will get a bump as your strength of schedule would improve.

To relate it to Fargo, someone you previously beat likely beat a higher opponent.

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Icon of Sin said:
Can your rating change based on how your previous opponents play in current matches even though you havent played?

Example: My fargo just went up 2 points and I didnt play in anything that reported to fargo recently. All my previous matches from the last time I played were entered and have been displaying for months. I know it's not a big jump or anything, just curious why it would change on it's own and that's the only thing I could think of.

I'm sure this has been answered before, but searching provided too many results.
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Personally I think it's kind of a flaw in the system. I think it would be more accurate if you were rated on how you did with the person you were playing as they played at the time.

I think they are pretty smart at fargo, sure they've thought about it and there may be some good reasons calculating like that would have problems. Just how I feel about it I guess.

In the extreme, you may have played a kid just starting out with a 400 rating. He gets into and in 2 years he's a 650. I could be wrong but it seems like they are treating it as if you whooped up on a 650.
 
It can/does happen but bumps/dips aren't large. System favors current play but these anomalies will happen in any data based ranking system.
 
If the players you have played have a good week against their opponents, they go up. FR remembers who you have played. If they go up, you go up by association. FR not only remembers who you have played, it remembers the date of every rack, and takes that into account as well. Old games are counted less than recent games.
 
Bob Jewett said:
If the players you have played have a good week against their opponents, they go up. FR remembers who you have played. If they go up, you go up by association. FR not only remembers who you have played, it remembers the date of every rack, and takes that into account as well. Old games are counted less than recent games.
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I'd assume that fargo also knows what the players fargo was at the time so could be used in the calculation so it looks like you played a 400 2 years ago, not a 650 2 years ago. They probably have a good reason to do it the way they are and maybe have reasons why my suggestion sucks.
 
garczar said:
It can/does happen but bumps/dips aren't large. System favors current play but these anomalies will happen in any data based ranking system.
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I played a guy 3 races to 7. Before we played I was around 515, he was around 560 but was no longer playing as one. We ended up almost even. You can move pretty quickly.

To be clear, neither of us had a ton of games at the time so that probably matters quite a bit in the scenario. He had around 70, I had around 150.
Probably make a lot less difference when you have 700.
 
dendweller said:
I played a guy 3 races to 7. Before we played I was around 515, he was around 560 but was no longer playing as one. We ended up almost even. You can move pretty quickly.

To be clear, neither of us had a ton of games at the time so that probably matters quite a bit in the scenario. He had around 70, I had around 150.
Probably make a lot less difference when you have 700.
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You aren't considered established until you have 200 games in the system. Up to that point, you can move a lot from the result of 1 match
 
I played a guy a few weeks ago in USAPL who was given a starter rating of 350. From what he was saying, he used to be an APA SL-7 back in the day but he hadn't really picked up a cue in 15 years, so the LO gave him the generic starter rating.

....he probably lost some speed but not that much (350 is basically an APA SL-3). I played him to a draw, with him getting the match win via handicap, which dropped me a bit since I should have been a 2:1 favorite on paper. However my Fargo has slowly drifted back up since as his Fargo starts to adjust to his actual playing speed.
 
rharm said:
You aren't considered established until you have 200 games in the system. Up to that point, you can move a lot from the result of 1 match
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More importantly, your rating at the start is based on only a few opponents. If they move up or down together, so will you.

When your rating is based on many games against many opponents, a few added games will have only a small effect.
 
skip100 said:
A 2-point change is basically meaningless.
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I basically said that. However we have a ton of Fargo rated tournaments here and that 2 points could be the difference between entering one or not. It could also mean the difference in game spots in some handicapped fargo tournaments.

As far as personal development goes, sure it aint shit really, but depending on what that number is could change your plans.
 
Icon of Sin said:
I basically said that. However we have a ton of Fargo rated tournaments here and that 2 points could be the difference between entering one or not. It could also mean the difference in game spots in some handicapped fargo tournaments.

As far as personal development goes, sure it aint shit really, but depending on what that number is could change your plans.
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I hear ya... I hover around 677-8 and the cut off in my area before open events is no more than 675.

I just won a "9b mini" hosted by my LO during the summer months. However despite the win I'm expecting my fargo to drop if anything. Most likely too many game in the system to have one mini do much. Get a few under my belt, and I'll be set for the fall tourney season ;)
 
Icon of Sin said:
I basically said that. However we have a ton of Fargo rated tournaments here and that 2 points could be the difference between entering one or not. It could also mean the difference in game spots in some handicapped fargo tournaments.

As far as personal development goes, sure it aint shit really, but depending on what that number is could change your plans.
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Mine always seems to move a couple of points either way. If I’m correct, you have under 300 games in the system and that could be one of a few reasons.
 
It happens with more games in, just not very often and no more than a point. I'm at 1200 racks and went up a point without playing in a reported event for months.
 
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