You're right - I did misunderstand. Perhaps a better way to word that is like you just did, four misses to finish a rack. For reference, I always read "run a rack" as all in the same turn (isn't that how it's supposed to be read, hence the word "run"?).
Fargo Rate - Not Much Math Here
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I creeped on the OP a bit (sorry!), he only had a few posts over the years. This one he signed with his real first name and last initial. I looked up variations of this name on the FargoRate phone app, and didn't find anything close. I also didn't find anything on digitalpool's website (but search there is poor).
Found him. Full name whited out by me. Looks sir like you play jam up. 705 preliminary rating, 71 robustness, no starter rating. Open speed for sure, even if you played out of your mind this particular tournament (or many tournaments). I couldn't find the tournament in digital pool. I found the name there, but no match history (its search is hit or miss, even for my own matches).
The OP is also a father/son duo of Martin and Marty K that play together. APA tournament results articles have been written about them. That can easily mess up the fargorate if a TD mixed them up, especially if one is way stronger than the other.
Recommend you email fargorate and have them add a sr and jr to the names.
Recommend you email fargorate and have them add a sr and jr to the names.
Answering your last question first, yes, ratings are more uncertain at any robustness when FargoRate doesn't know much about your opponents.
But in "typical" situations, where we know most of your opponents but some are more unknown, the situation is about as follows:
Let's say your rating is 500, and it is based on X games. We want to say there is a two-thirds chance your actual skill is within U points of 500
U is about 283/sqrt(X)
So when X=200, U=20 points
When X=800, U=10 points
When X=50, U=40 points
The players in my local group had a little over 100 games on average, and we expect the preliminary ratings are probably within 30 points. And the graph relating to my judgment kind of aligns with this.
lol
Started at Starbucks. Too many Mikes on the planet, and you notice it in a small crowd waiting for your Cappuccino with a name on the cup.
So I thought I don't really need to be MIKE at Starbucks, I can choose a Starbucks name that is unique and easy to say. I chose Vito. Before long, the Starbucks people greet me as Vito.
The first time I entered a small tournament here, they put me on as "Mike." Then another Mike showed up and they changed me to Mike P, until they realized he was also Mike P... So I said, put me in as Vito. Then they started calling me Vito and put me in the next week as Vito even though there were no other Mikes...
Now I'm...just... Vito
Is it Don Vito or just Vito?
To add to this, it takes a person with special ability to give someone a starter rating. I'm now a "once in a while TD", with about 20ish tournaments under my belt using digitalpool. There is zero way I can assign someone a starter rating that makes it back to FargoRate headquarters. I can give someone a rating for MY particular tournament (if it's handicapped and needed), by hand typing a number in digitalpool when I create the player entry. However, that number never leaves the bracket of MY tournament.
I believe only a league operator using LMS software can give someone a "Starter" FargoRate.
How difficult is it to raise your FargoRate once you hit 200 matches and become “established”? I’m asking because I took about 7–8 years off from playing and just came back this session for BCA. It took me a good portion of the session—probably the first two-thirds—before I really started feeling comfortable again.
During that time, I lost quite a few games to players I’m normally much stronger than, and it’s definitely dragged my rating down. I’m hoping next session I can get things back on track, but I’m curious how much movement I should realistically expect after hitting 200 robustness, right now im only at 80 so i'm not too worried.
That's a cool way to get your pool nickname. Mike "Vito" Page
This is from Iusedtoberich, post # 39. He was 480 with 87 games and then 547 when he reached 200 games a few months later
Skip, yer killing me. I opened the link and all those reasons I hated studying statistics came flooding back.
Main part in getting to a real level that would match your skill at the table would be how often you play and the level of play. It all depends on you. It will not hop around too much once you have an established rating, it's not like the APA or TAP leagues where people can go up and down levels seemingly every other week. If you play one league match a week but are just taking the rust off your skill and are improving quickly, it may take a while before the rating catches up to your progress. My son runs a league using Fargo, and because many of the players were new to the game a year or two ago, but are very dedicated to improving, they are getting better faster than the ratings can keep up with.
HAHA, my name is Lazar. When I enter tournaments and they ask for my last name, I usually tell them if another Lazar shows up for this tournament, I am buying the bar a round LOL
Just tell them "Beam" Lazar Beam.
They usually do that on their own as a nickname for me, Laser. I had a good friend who would always introduce me as "Laser", especially in pool rooms LOL.
It's a good nickname.
Time is also important in addition to robustness.
I'm a 632 and have almost 3k games in the system, all within the last 3 years. Earlier this year, I had a three week span where I won 8-2 against a 640 (an 860 performance), 8-6 against a 680 (a 725 performance), and 7-3 against a 700 (an 820 performance). My rating rose by one point each time for a whopping three point improvement. So basically, even though I had a hot streak where I played at a pro level for a few weeks, my Fargo barely changed. For my rating to significantly change, I would need to consistently play at a MUCH higher level instead of just for a month long streak. My guess is even if SVB started playing under my name, it'd take at least half a year for my rating to clear 700.