I competed in my first Fargo rated tournament (650 and under), and I have never had a Fargo number. After the tournament my first Fargo came out as a 700. For an average leaugue player I thought this was excessive. I checked with Fargo and they said it's simple math. Games won %. 70% makes me a 700. I thought Fargo looked at the other Fargo players numbers and did math to create an actual number. By this method...if a brand new 600 level player plays only against Fargo 200s, that players Fargo would probably be a 900 to start! The opposite is true too. If you always played players better than you...a 600 player would be a 200. What am I missing? This means there are 1000s of WAY under rated Fargo players. Just venting.
Fargo Rate - Not Much Math Here
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FR isn’t reliable until robustness is over 200. Don’t sweat it until you are over 200.
most places you have to have a robust. of at least 400.
Or more...
Exactly. One tournament could have you 100 points too high or 100 points too low.
It’s like a rookie MLB hitter who goes 4 for 10 in their first 10 at bats. Are they a .400 hitter? I mean, yes, at the moment, but it really tells you almost nothing.
Half of this is incorrect. Either you didn't understand them completely, or, it was someone NOT from FargoRate explaining it to you who had no idea what they were talking about.
Also from what I remember you posting many years back, you were an Open speed player, correct? if so, that's a high 600 to low 700 level today.
Not me. This was my first non league tournament. Don't know what an 'Open Speed Player' is.
I’ll say it louder.
UNTIL FARGORATE HAS 200 GAMES ON SOMEONE, PUT ZERO STOCK IN WHAT THE PRELIMINARY RATING COMES OUT AS FOR THEM.
UNTIL FARGORATE HAS 200 GAMES ON SOMEONE, PUT ZERO STOCK IN WHAT THE PRELIMINARY RATING COMES OUT AS FOR THEM.
200 games is way overboard. More like 40 or 50 should be sufficient in typical situations. The law of large numbers and central limit theorem are a thing.
Anyway, if you want to know the math, here’s the math: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley–Terry_model
Anyway, if you want to know the math, here’s the math: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley–Terry_model
It's not just how many games you won, it's who you won them against. If you won 70% of games vs Jayson Shaw you get a different rating than if you won 70% of games vs Jessica Blythe, mother of 5 who runs 2 balls in a row.
Either way, you need many games in the system to get a real rating idea.
Lots of info on the website. https://fargorate.com/
Jessica sounds like a nice lady.
Can you post a screenshot of the homepage on the FargoRate phone app? Black out your name if you like.
How do you think she got five kids?
In comparison the OP venting publicly about a preliminary rating based on the results of a single Fargo-rated tournament is insanely more overboard.
There are many theoretical scenarios people put in for the Fargo rating, a 600 playing only 200s is VERY unlikely, good players tend to seek out other good players. The way people normally get a starting rating is that whoever puts them in would put in a best guess for them based on known skill level. If some APA 7/9 comes in to a first Fargo event, they would be started at about a 550/600. If a guy you never met shows up, and takes 4 tries to run a rack, you would put them in as a 300/350.
If you are playing in an even race event, and you play a few 600 level players, won 7/10 games, you could very well be a 700 at the start without having any other rating in. If you played 500 level players and won 7/10 you would be around a 600, etc... The rating ends up being who you play and how well you do against them using known real-world results, if you always play players better than you, then your rating will be based on how well you do against them, a 9-0 score is different from a 9-8 score, or a 9-5 score, and that will end up counting into the average of your results over 200 games till you have a rating. Same thing for playing worse players, if you come up in a pool hall filled with 20 400 level players, and you beat them all by 9-3, 9-4, 9-5, scores week after week, the system will have you as a 500, even if you only play those players.
Forget the gibberish. Forget about Jessica...
They Fargo guy may not have explained it correctly but you are indeed a 700.
Unless you feel like you played better or worse than normal, which you didn't share with us.