Just find out their name and look em up.
Fargo rating mistake / possible shadiness?
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If you don't have the app, you can just go to http://fargorate.com and search on their name or part of their name.
The highest-rated player you faced (also I think the highest-rated player who frequents that tournament) has a rating in the low 690s and has about 2700 games in the system [a very strong regional player] . He has a bunch of those weekly tournaments, and he is performing about 685 speed for those (hence, my "nothing to see here" comment).
nope, you have a high % of being within a large spread, and a lessor chance of being within the tighten spread.
Just so you know, Mike Page has been replying in this thread. He is the person to address these questions to. He created Fargo and maintains it. To say he's the authority on Fargo is an understatement.
Will the real Chili Palmer please stand up.
You're giving shylocks a bad rep.
LOL, I was sitting down when I typed that. Going from accounting to pool in a blink of a second may not be the best thing to do
You don't actually have an established rating yet. You have a preliminary rating based on a limited amount of data. preliminary ratings can be assigned based on known/assumed ability but once you reach 200 games in the system it will adjust to whatever the data shows.
Yes, sandbagging is attempted in every system that rates players. Yes better players can lose to weaker players in an attempt to lower their fargo ratings which may at the same time raise yours. However with more data it becomes very difficult to do this as inevitably good players have to play up to their speed or continue donating. ALSO, the system has some way to check for anomalies that indicate someone is attempting to sandbag. Furthermore it's not just about winning and losing but instead what the difference in games won/lost between two players is. So in order to affect a rating the sandbagging player has to perform BELOW expectation. In other words a player can WIN a match and still see their rating go down if they allow the opponent to win more games than the opponent "should" win given the disparate ratings.
For example If I am 600 and you are a 500 and we play a race to ten then the prediction/expectation is that I will win twice as many games as you do. So if the final score is 10-5 for me then both of us have performed up to expectation and there is likely no ratings change. If neither of use have an established rating and no other match history then all fargo CAN know about us is that I have performed at a level that is 100 points higher than you. But it will not know if you are a 300 and I am a 400 or if you are a 700 and I am an 800.
Only after we have more games against more people and are connected to many others does the "magic" work. It is highly doubtful that there are many premeditated and organized tournaments that are set up solely for sandbagging. Primarily because the player and TDs involved risk losing all the data and being barred from the fago ratings system. We know of one instance where it is possible that the tournament direction did allow some players to have lopsided losing records and when this was found ALL of the data for all of those tournaments was scrubbed from the database and the venue's tournament results were no longer accepted into the database.
There is a player I know who demanded that he be removed from the ratings. After a while when he found that he was unable to participate in tournaments that required an established rating he asked to be reinstated.
I think they wouldn't even need to lose to you, they just need to barely win the set and their fargo wont go up much. I don't think they would even need to do what you are saying though because of the salotto app where they could just throw sets and not lose out on the payday at all.
I used to think my rating of 560-570 was too low (569 currently). Well, I can assure you that it is right in line. On occasion, I outrun my rating. However, in a grind situation, I end up right where I should be in relation to my Fargo. I have almost 400 games (381). I play in open tournaments and tournaments that have a cap of 715 on the players in terms of skill level allowed to enter. On occasion, I beat a giant. But typically, the outcome is right in line with what Fargo predicts. When I play the ghost, I have yet to win. The best I have done is get halfway there. Again, in line with my Fargo rating. If you were to watch the games against the better players, you would think that I had a chance and that it was just bad rolls...well, if you are consistently getting bad rolls it is because you are playing bad! I would see this in playing the ghost. It is small mistakes that add up over the long run. Yes, I can put together 2-4 break and runs if I get ball in hand. I can even do that on occasion without taking ball in hand after the break but it is rare. I am definitely improving but it will take awhile to see it show up in any meaningful way in my tournament play. I was only winning 1 or 2 games in a race to 7 against the ghost and now I am winning 3-4 games in the race to 7. Playing 8-ball, I do a bit better but I don't practice 8ball much. Shot selection and safety play are huge but execution and consistency of the execution still play the biggest part. I am looking forward to the tournament this weekend as it is one of the tournaments with a 715 cap. I thought about driving to Tulsa for an 8ball tournament with a 600 cap but opted to stay closer to home.
Salotto submissions are publicly viewable. So they’d be risking some scrutiny and repercussions.
Here is a link to Dr. Daves fargo rate comparison charts. It will maybe give you a better idea of what a 528 fargorate means.
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FargoRate Pool Player Rating System - Billiards and Pool Principles, Techniques, Resources
Answers to frequently-asked questions about the FargoRate pool player rating system.
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