Fat Men and Pool -- What's the deal?
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You may tap, tap, tap, but the correct word for that is being an enabler. No one said it is easy, but Miz should be sitting in his pool room tonight instead of dead. Buddy hall will follow the same path and from what I saw on TV recently Mike Massey as well. Massey was looking like he was having trouble walking. My wife works with stroke patients. She often steps in to take the place of family members who can't do the tough love it take to get these people back on their feet so they can get on with their lives. Many times there is a small window of opportunity. It is very easy to just tell someone what they what to hear for fear of alienation. It is a thin line to walk.
As far as this thread goes, most people on here who talk about weight problems are not really tough cases. They are not the guy who hasn't left his house for five years and weighs 600 lb.'s. But, if they ignore it long enough and develop joint problems have hip replacements, or even become diabetic it is a shame because it was so easy to deal with if they just tried. This is not a debate. Next time you are on the golf course see how many big fat 70 year olds you see.
macguy: I really liked that post. I've heard (and talked about) the change-has-to-come-from-within stuff before, and it's always true.
I don't lose weight because I truly don't feel my weight is an impending threat to my health or causing me problems in other ways (i.e. socially, looks, whatever). I know it will affect me in like 20 years but I may not care until the problem is staring me right in the face (i.e. when it's too late. Probably similar to the way many smokers think).
The instant I start seeing it as the barrel of a gun I will (hopefully) find the motivation. Until then, I know that even if R. Lee Ermey starts chasing me around with a riot baton, I would just lose the weight temporarily and then put it right back on because I'm not committed to changing my lifestyle.
It's an interesting point frank makes about food being an addiction. There are physical and mental addictions, and while food isn't as physically addicting as heroin or nicotine, mentally it's a beast. It's a "fix" just like any other drug. People use it to fix boredom, depression, low self esteem, emotional issues, and occasionally hunger.
Still, what's the word for it when you make the commitment to stop doing something harmful despite your physical or emotional cravings? What is the force that beats that addiction? I call it "willpower" because I can't see how it could possibly be anything else. Support from outside helps, but as macguy pointed out... only you can make that decision.
Chino: all these dudes talk about the importance of realizing they need to lose weight before it's too late. But your cousin didn't realize the importance of staying single. It might not be too late though! Try your hardest to talk him out of it. Change has to come from within.
<-- bitter divorcee?!
I don't lose weight because I truly don't feel my weight is an impending threat to my health or causing me problems in other ways (i.e. socially, looks, whatever). I know it will affect me in like 20 years but I may not care until the problem is staring me right in the face (i.e. when it's too late. Probably similar to the way many smokers think).
The instant I start seeing it as the barrel of a gun I will (hopefully) find the motivation. Until then, I know that even if R. Lee Ermey starts chasing me around with a riot baton, I would just lose the weight temporarily and then put it right back on because I'm not committed to changing my lifestyle.
It's an interesting point frank makes about food being an addiction. There are physical and mental addictions, and while food isn't as physically addicting as heroin or nicotine, mentally it's a beast. It's a "fix" just like any other drug. People use it to fix boredom, depression, low self esteem, emotional issues, and occasionally hunger.
Still, what's the word for it when you make the commitment to stop doing something harmful despite your physical or emotional cravings? What is the force that beats that addiction? I call it "willpower" because I can't see how it could possibly be anything else. Support from outside helps, but as macguy pointed out... only you can make that decision.
Chino: all these dudes talk about the importance of realizing they need to lose weight before it's too late. But your cousin didn't realize the importance of staying single. It might not be too late though! Try your hardest to talk him out of it. Change has to come from within.
<-- bitter divorcee?!
Someone I loved and respected made this statement many years ago: "Try your willpower the next time you have diarrhea and see what it gets you."
Macguy
I kind of get the gist of what you are stating but I really agree with all of it.
Its not easy and thats a fact. If not we would not have nearly as many (if any) obese people, degenrate gamblers, murderer,anorexic people, drug addicts, chain smokers and any other addict that one might think of.
If not then we wouldnt have 75-80% of all addicts Never kick their habit. AND that is addicts that have been through rehab.
Its not far off at all from phobias... should almost everyone be able to control these and will themselves to try. It aint happening.. just isnt.
Most everyone knows there issues and has ways of coping with them. Major issues though really arent choices. As I stated before Anorexic girls look in the mirror and actually SEE a fat person. They look at others and see in shape people. Its a mental issue.
Being obese is different yet the same as are most all addictions. Now no one thinks a crackhead looks at crack and sees candy but its more like THEIR brain is telling them it will help them or ease their pain a bit. Its calling their name. There brain is really telling them that its okay and that they need that high.
After using most addicts feel bad about it... until the feeling hits them again and again. Overeaters are not any different. Many feel HORRIBLE afterwards.
My buddy forgets to eat. Simply forgets. He has to have employees remind him to grab lunch or snack. He thinks about his business and his
race team every waking moment.
I know you and others might find this hard to imagine but many large people actually think about food all day. Wake up... what to eat isn't the first question becuase that was thought about yesterday a few times...
Meals and locations to eat stay in the fronts of their minds and were thought about long before the actual meal.
I really wish everyone was almost perfect and no one had any vices, addictions or phobia but everyones brain works differently.
An easy thing for me to associate brain workings and its complex behavior is whether a person is straight or gay. I am a straight male. I look at women and my brain sees them as an attraction and my instincts (more brain firings) kick in.
I look a guy and nothing. Just a guy. However a gay male operates the exact opposite. He sees the girl and its a girl.
People with Synesthesia really are baffling. When hearing a sound they also see a color. If they see something sometimes a sound is associated with it regardless.
Willpower will only gets us so far. I do agree that change needs to come from within BUT friends and family should offer their concerns...respectfully. Some well timed "pushes" have helped many.
well, I think we prolly are just down to semantics unless someone can give me a better term or phrase. I call "the change that comes from within" willpower. Y'all call it... something else.
If it were literally 100% uncontrollable (like diarrhea) then there would be absolutely no hope for addicts, they could only stop when outside forces literally prevent them from indulging in their habit. But they can stop using their own motivating force. I'm just calling that force willpower cuz it's as close as the dictionary comes to the right word for it.
Not saying that they can stop using willpower and nothing else though. I recognize that they often need help and support from other directions, ON TOP OF that personal decision to change.
If it were literally 100% uncontrollable (like diarrhea) then there would be absolutely no hope for addicts, they could only stop when outside forces literally prevent them from indulging in their habit. But they can stop using their own motivating force. I'm just calling that force willpower cuz it's as close as the dictionary comes to the right word for it.
Not saying that they can stop using willpower and nothing else though. I recognize that they often need help and support from other directions, ON TOP OF that personal decision to change.
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wu cc won wpc 8ball 9ball overweight
he is a better player after he lost weight though
i lost as much weight as he did, we r around the same age
so i can say losing weight does help,
longer stamina, better concentration
wu cc won wpc 8ball 9ball overweight
he is a better player after he lost weight though
i lost as much weight as he did, we r around the same age
so i can say losing weight does help,
longer stamina, better concentration
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i'll start by admitting i didn't read the whole thread, only the first and last pages. i thought this was going to be a funny thread but it looks from the last page like it took a serious turn. as a fat guy myself i can say with personal experience it's not that hard. my weight has gone up and down in my life and it's all on pesonal choice. currently i am in the 320 range and stand 5'10". most people who know me never guess i wiegh that much because i have always lifted a lot of weights and have big legs, shoulders and arms and i carry the weight well. at my lowest i was 230 and had 10% body fat which isn't great but on me it made me look average. those numbers have been my highs and lows through most of my life. when i get tired of being fat i hit the gym and eat right. burn more than you take in and you will lose it's simple. but you have to want to do it. right now i'm lazy and i don't want it. you can call it will power, mental toughness, whatever, but it comes down to - if you want to do it you will. same as alchahol or drugs. no recovering addict got there until they wanted to, same with fat people who get thin. if you are tired of being at health risk and feeling like crap you find out that you can change yourself. but if you don't really want to change you won't. some people like the sympathy that comes from being fat, some people wear it like a security balnket, and some people like me just don't give a s*it. and i can say this, when i was thinner i wasn't playing as well as i am now. the longest session i've put in lately is 12 hours and i felt fine. in fact i went home made a fire and grilled for my family (i used to be a chef). i do have problems reaching some shots the skinny guys can hit easier, but let's be honest you don't have to be in tip top shape to play our game. this game has a lot more to do with what you know vs. what kind of shape you're in than other games. and i understand the argument that it sucks that some of the greats have left us early and more might follow, but that's up to them, not us.
First, that is one thing I really do love about pool....you can be fat or skinny, male or female, tall or short, a weightlifter or a long distance runner, old or young, you can be almost anything....it is an incredible equalizer.....you can be any of the above and be a champion....unlike a lot of sports, there really are very few limitations......
Second, please get that victim crap off of AZ......I love big people, small people, and everyone in between.....and as long as they own their decisions, I will continue to love them.....but it's a small percentage that simply cannot change things due to absolute roadblocks they cannot control....the rest just choose not to...
Second, please get that victim crap off of AZ......I love big people, small people, and everyone in between.....and as long as they own their decisions, I will continue to love them.....but it's a small percentage that simply cannot change things due to absolute roadblocks they cannot control....the rest just choose not to...
Pool is a game where shape is extremely important, but being in shape isn't! :smile:
When bums on the street would ask my friend for change, he would tell them "change comes from within my friend."
I don't think any of them had the IQ to understand what he meant except for one guy who responded, "yea, change comes from within yo' pocket!"
When bums on the street would ask my friend for change, he would tell them "change comes from within my friend."
I don't think any of them had the IQ to understand what he meant except for one guy who responded, "yea, change comes from within yo' pocket!"
I can completely respect your decision. Excluding how it can effect other family members in the end it is no ones choice but your own. A few weeks ago Dom DeLuise died, although he made it to the age 75, he was forced to walk with two canes in the last year. If you have read my other postings you are going to be surprised at what I am going to say. I met Mr. DeLuise many times. He used to be a regular at the Burt Reynolds dinner theater where my wife and I were regulars. I think he may have been an exception. He was very happy with his life and it was easy to see his friends and family respected how he lived his life. He loved to cook and he loved to eat, he loved people. A stranger became a friend in an instant. Until the last years he was in shockingly good shape. He would glide around the dance floor like it was nothing. It did not really seem to handicap him. I have a feeling he would not have wanted to live his life any other way and he was truly happy.
My father died when I was pretty young. He had a 40 foot boat that he liked to take out by himself. Since he had a heart condition my mother would always go nuts about what he would do. He would wake up and gas up the boat and say "I'm going to Bimini want to come" and I always said yes. My point is, if listened to his doctors he would have spent the rest of his life laying in a lawn chair under a tree. He at a point didn't give a sh!t. He was going to get on with his life and that was that. He lived 20 years longer then the doctors said he would. I am so glad he didn't spend those years being a professional patient and lived. I doubt he would have cared less if he took off in his boat and something happened and he never came back. That boat was not built to stay tied up to a dock and neither was he.
9ballpaul
depends on which Babe Ruth your talking about, young to prime "babe ruth" would be consider'd average... older babe ruth would be probably consider'd over weight.
what people dont think about is back in his day, Babe Ruth was consider'd a Giant vs other baseball players...
I do notice alot of good pool player's being over-weight... And I think alot of it is, because they spend so much time in a pool hall, and thats it.... they dont do anything else to get a workout, they eat food that is very un-healthy.....
I told a friend of mine jokingly and kinda seriously lol, that a certain somebody who always nags me to gamble with him... The next time he ask's to gamble with me, I told my friend I'd say sure, lets gamble,,,, first person to run a mile wins 500$ lol.....
And said guy I am talking about is the typical overweight pool player,,,, is about 5'7 350lbs or more yet is a A+ player... So i figure the only way i am going to win against him is in a foot race lol.....
People say diet diet diet, but I honestly think that one of the major problems is that calorie intake is now so easy that it is practically effortless. This has a lot to do with stuff like soda. You don't "have" to drink soda, there is water and many different types of teas that have anti-oxidants!
I watch my coworker constantly eat and drink. I talk to him about it and he says its a conscious decision that he makes. He chooses to. I don't criticize him. I think people doubt willpower, but it really is what another member has stated about being selfish. You have to want to make change, but it doesn't have to be cold turkey. Just make a small change like as if you're fasting. Just stop eating or drinking something that you intake a lot such as soda. Each person's diet is different. That would be a great step forward, take one step at a time. There is no need to suddenly be on an entirely rabbit food diet. With each step, you'll realize later that you've gone a mile! Start small, and just keep adding to it when you feel comfortable.
Of course I want to Super Size it! - duh I a pool player!
Maybe that is why my game is not getting any better... I am too skinny! I am going on a strict Big Mac diet starting immediately. imo
Maybe that is why my game is not getting any better... I am too skinny! I am going on a strict Big Mac diet starting immediately. imo
Baby steps... baby steps....
Well let me know when you are ready to sit at the bog boy table and we'll go get some lunch. Until then just keep kicking my ass at pool.
BVal
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