Fedor vs Shane argue with me

I’m a Captain America fanboy, but I think Fedor wins this time. He’s on a mission.

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sjm said:
You like what you like and should certainly watch and play the games you enjoy the most.

10ball is still a fringe game and may always be. There are probably twenty significant 9ball events for every 10ball event. No call shot game will ever replace 9ball. Snooker does not use call shot, and neither does one-pocket, surely the most difficult game played on a pool table. The notion that call-shot is somehow needed to preserve a game's integrity is among the most ridiculous in recent times.

That said, demand for participation in 9ball events has never been higher. Streaming numbers for 9ball have never been higher. No, general pool fans are not tired of 9ball, and 9ball has, in the last few years, brought pro pool to the highest heights we have ever seen, in terms of investment, production quality, participation, and fandom. The event on the pro pool calendar in which fan interest is highest, by far, is the Mosconi Cup, a 9ball event, which tends to sell out within a few days of the onset of ticket sales.

9ball is not repetitious, either. Per AtLarge stats, the break and run rate at the European Open, the most recent 9ball major was 23%. Nobody is stringing racks in the 9ball majors and most of the racks played are fought for, with defensive and tactical play at a premium. It is not clear how that could be labeled repetitious.

One day, the 9ball era will end, just as the straight pool era did, but the 9ball era is now about forty years old and it is probably going stronger than ever before.
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I agree 100% with what you said about what the WNT is doing.

But from what I understand, these long race exhibition style matches have nothing to do with WNT and are things put together between the players and their backers. Now, I have no idea how it works because I've never cared for the world of gambling, nor do I know what these players and backers have in mind when putting these things together. But again, if the WNT is not involved then I see no reason as to why it has to automatically be 9 ball. These players will take on the same training regime regardless of what game is being played for large sums of money.
 
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Positively Ralf said:
I agree 100% with what you said about what the WNT is doing.

But from what I understand, these long race exhibition style matches have nothing to do with WNT and are things put together between the players and their backers. Now, I have no idea how it works because I've never cared for the world of gambling, nor do I know what these players and backers have in mind when putting these things together. But again, if the WNT is not involved then I see no reason as to why it has to automatically be 9 ball. These players will take on the same training regime regardless of what game is being played for large sums of money.
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Agreed. These action matches lie outside the framework of professional pool competition and the contestants should play any game of their choosing with any rules of their choosing.

Like you, these matchups rarely interest me. The announced money in these matches, rarely, if ever, bears any relationship to what the contestants have at stake, and I believe that in many cases, the contestants get a piece of the pay-per-view and are not playing for anything.
 
pt109 said:
I could see 10-ball getting popular if it was played same rules as 9-ball….which is the only way I’ve gambled at it.
….I also abhor long matches. Races to triple figures I never watch, even the ones I bet on.
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When 10B first became a thing, this is how I remembered it being played. Just like 9B with an extra ball. The 10B rack was less wired so it took care of most breaking shenanigans. IMO it was a much better game than the 10B we have now.

In my experience the people who complain about luck in 9B are the people who need luck the most. I refuse to play 10B in local tournaments anymore. We aren't pros so it basically consists of playing 1-2 shots then a safety. A single game can take 20-30 minutes and it's all ducking until the last 3 balls. Even with 3 balls people play safe instead of getting out. It's boring as hell. I don't mind a good safety game, but if I'm in the mood for safety play 1P is far superior. 10B makes some sense for the pros but when we're talking a tournament with an average Fargo somewhere in the 500s, all that accomplishes is a tournament that finishes at 5AM the next morning.
 
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