Ferrules

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What is the best material besides ivory for a ferrule? There are so many options out there now that it makes it harder and harder to know the difference. For example, I have heard that melamine makes the best ferrule but I didn't see an explanation as to why.

Thank you in advance,
Dave
 
DDKoop said:
What is the best material besides ivory for a ferrule? There are so many options out there now that it makes it harder and harder to know the difference. For example, I have heard that melamine makes the best ferrule but I didn't see an explanation as to why.

Thank you in advance,
Dave
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It hits good. It glues good; not like abs or pvc. It resist dirt; not like Aegis II or Ivorine 3. Don't even think about Delrin - it don't glue at all and finish does not stick to it very long - It should be outlawed for cue use.

Everything in cuemaking is a trade off - you get something but you usually give up something. Melamine is the best of all worlds.
 
Here's a list based only on my opinion of hardness starting with the softest.

ABS
Ivorine III
Aegis II
Grice
Phenalic
Mellamine
Aegis
Ivory
Ivor X

I like for my cues based on playablity:
Phenalic, (Linen based not paper. Brown only)
Mellamine
Aegis
Ivory
 
Michael Webb said:
Here's a list based only on my opinion of hardness starting with the softest.

ABS
Ivorine III
Aegis II
Grice
Phenalic
Mellamine
Aegis
Ivory
Ivor X

I like for my cues based on playablity:
Phenalic, (Linen based not paper. Brown only)
Mellamine
Aegis
Ivory
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hey mike I saw theses ferrules they were mammoth i tryed them they were ok they sucked up a lot of chalk thoe my cue guy said they smelled horrible when he installed them I always like to try every thing .I have played with ever tip and a lot of different ferrules .I am going to try this new ferrule I just got the other day its a porper capped ferrule it's soposed to give a med ,hard hit and be realy durable have ya ever tryed one of these and if ya have are they any good.
 
Hi Mr. Staton
I tried one of Joes ferrules a couple years ago, that one I didn't like, to much deflection, maybe he has a new one, let me know how you make out.
Thank you in advance.
 
I think another thing that sould be taken in consideration is wieght. I have wieghted diffrent types of ferrules. this is what I came up with. all ferrules are exactly the same size with the same size tenon hole. All wieghts are in grams.

ABS (black) 2.9
Fibre 4.3
LBM 4.0
ivor-x 4.9
mueucci original 3.7
mammoth 4.0

I also made a ferrule of the same size as above out of shaft wood. just to prove a theory to myself. wood ferrule 2.0 grams.

so...if you are like me that like a shaft to deflect as least as possible. go with the lightest ferrule. which is the ABS. wood is also lighter than all ferrules wieghed. so logic would also dictate that you use a short ferrule to cut down even more wieght up front.
anyone know of any plastic or even metal type material that is durable but lighter that shaft wood? maybe TI. but I dont have any & its charicteristics change with temperature.
 
seven said:
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I also made a ferrule of the same size as above out of shaft wood. just to prove a theory to myself. wood ferrule 2.0 grams.

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Just about the same as a Predator. Predator is axctually a little less.
 
Michael Webb said:
Just about the same as a Predator. Predator is axctually a little less.
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really? what is it made of? I guess we will never know. :)
 
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Most of my cues have Ivory, I have two cues made by Huebler (The Custom Shop) that have Buckhorn ferrules. They hit great and do not soak up the chalk. The Lucasi I have has the Ivorine III ferrule, it sucks up chalk and scratches soo easy.
 
Chazzy151 said:
Most of my cues have Ivory, I have two cues made by Huebler (The Custom Shop) that have Buckhorn ferrules. They hit great and do not soak up the chalk. The Lucasi I have has the Ivorine III ferrule, it sucks up chalk and scratches soo easy.
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In your opinion, how does the buckhorn compare to ivory.
 
I've also come across water buffalo horn ferrule and bought one, it'll take a few weeks before I get it on my shaft. Any comments/experience with this type.
 
Freeman said:
I've also come across water buffalo horn ferrule and bought one, it'll take a few weeks before I get it on my shaft. Any comments/experience with this type.
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Too soft imo. Also, it only comes in black, iirc.
I have a shaft with buckhorn ferrule and Ivor-X for my Zylr cue.
The Ivor-X hits a little harder and stays cleaner.
 
Schon ferrules?

What kind of ferrule material does schon used? They also used a black pad under the tip is this a fiber pad or phenolic when I remove this pad it make the cue have a softer hit. Thanks for the ferrule info
 
JoeyInCali said:
Too soft imo. Also, it only comes in black, iirc.
I have a shaft with buckhorn ferrule and Ivor-X for my Zylr cue.
The Ivor-X hits a little harder and stays cleaner.
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Thanks for the info Joey. I'll still experiment with it, probably put it on a more rigid shaft.
 
Michael Webb said:
In your opinion, how does the buckhorn compare to ivory.
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Michael,

I've found that deer antler, which I assume is the same as buckhorn, hits a little softer than ivory. Since the outside diameters machine similarly, I think the difference in hit is due to two things: first, my deer antler ferrules are sleeve type ferrules vs. the typical capped ivory style. Second, deer antler has a porous core which may not be completely removed in the boring operation. This density difference may contribute to the softening of the hit. That said, I love the way they look, hit & feel. Durability doesn't seem to be an issue, either. I have some out there that are 12 yrs old & still playing fine. The only reservations I've heard concern the appearance. Most of the antler ferrules are far from being the pristine white of ivory. They tend to have a grayer & mottled finish. I don't think the local deer are watching their diets properly. Personally, I find it unique & quite attractive. There is a depth to the polished antler that isn't available in synthetics.
 
dzcues said:
Michael,

I've found that deer antler, which I assume is the same as buckhorn, hits a little softer than ivory. Since the outside diameters machine similarly, I think the difference in hit is due to two things: first, my deer antler ferrules are sleeve type ferrules vs. the typical capped ivory style. Second, deer antler has a porous core which may not be completely removed in the boring operation. This density difference may contribute to the softening of the hit. That said, I love the way they look, hit & feel. Durability doesn't seem to be an issue, either. I have some out there that are 12 yrs old & still playing fine. The only reservations I've heard concern the appearance. Most of the antler ferrules are far from being the pristine white of ivory. They tend to have a grayer & mottled finish. I don't think the local deer are watching their diets properly. Personally, I find it unique & quite attractive. There is a depth to the polished antler that isn't available in synthetics.
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Buckhorn has been around and utilized since the nineteenth century. Much stronger than ivory and a very hard solid hit. All of the buckhorn ferrules that I've ever used have been capped. To get the ferrules you must have large horns as the tines are the only solid parts of the horns. Once the tines are cut to size they need be bleached to look pretty decent.
East Indian Buck Horn is a larger horn that has more solid stems that can be used for joints and buttcaps but they are now on the endangered species list and much harder to come by.
Dick
 
rhncue said:
Buckhorn has been around and utilized since the nineteenth century. Much stronger than ivory and a very hard solid hit. All of the buckhorn ferrules that I've ever used have been capped. To get the ferrules you must have large horns as the tines are the only solid parts of the horns. Once the tines are cut to size they need be bleached to look pretty decent.
East Indian Buck Horn is a larger horn that has more solid stems that can be used for joints and buttcaps but they are now on the endangered species list and much harder to come by.
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I fashioned a sleeved one from a white-tail antler and put it on a Dufferin Hi-Run. I really liked the feel of it. I know white-tails shed their antlers yearly, so they can be harvested without harming the deer. Do East Indian Bucks shed theirs also?

Tracy
 
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