Fiber pads under tips...

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I also posted this question in the Cue & Shaft Reviews section:
I'd like to know or hear from cuemakers or someone who actually knows...what are the benefits or reasons that some cuemakers apply a fiber pad between the ferrule and the tip...?? Are there any disadvantages for doing it...??
Thanks.
 
- Ferrule crack prevention
- Aesthetics
Just as mentioned above.

OB uses a carbon fiber pad to protect their ferrules,
Predator also uses a carbon fiber pad on their break shafts.
Most cuemakers will add a fiber pad over there Ivory ferrules.
If a ferrule is uncapped, most makers will add a fiber pad.

Considering most fiber pads cost pennies, they are an easy precautionary measure to take.
 
Keep in mind certain tips have a fiber pad built in. Chandivert uses pads on many of their tip lines. So if you want one of those tips, you get a fiber pad.
 
I also posted this question in the Cue & Shaft Reviews section:
I'd like to know or hear from cuemakers or someone who actually knows...what are the benefits or reasons that some cuemakers apply a fiber pad between the ferrule and the tip...?? Are there any disadvantages for doing it...??
Thanks.
All the post are correct, but IMO they also change the hit of the cue.
 
I also posted this question in the Cue & Shaft Reviews section:
I'd like to know or hear from cuemakers or someone who actually knows...what are the benefits or reasons that some cuemakers apply a fiber pad between the ferrule and the tip...?? Are there any disadvantages for doing it...??
Thanks.

it started with ivory ferrules, now they just look awsome, I use red, love the contrast between white and black of tip
 
Had my tip replaced and the tip guy put a pad under it without asking me. Gave me the stick back played with it for a week. Saw the tip guy the next week at the bar and ask him very nicely to take it of.
First off I did not ask for it and after playing with it for a week I did not like the hit. It could have been just me but it was a different feel. He changed it out and Iam back to running out racks.
 
Had my tip replaced and the tip guy put a pad under it without asking me. Gave me the stick back played with it for a week. Saw the tip guy the next week at the bar and ask him very nicely to take it of.
First off I did not ask for it and after playing with it for a week I did not like the hit. It could have been just me but it was a different feel. He changed it out and Iam back to running out racks.

Did it muff the hit and kill the cue ball action?
 
Had my tip replaced and the tip guy put a pad under it without asking me. Gave me the stick back played with it for a week. Saw the tip guy the next week at the bar and ask him very nicely to take it of.
First off I did not ask for it and after playing with it for a week I did not like the hit. It could have been just me but it was a different feel. He changed it out and Iam back to running out racks.

So with this statement I take from it that if a customer likes a kamui soft then he won't like a kamui soft clear?

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Yes you describe it well the hit on the cue ball was some what muffled. It did not have the same action. I use a soft ass elk master and always have for 36 years. No goat milk Ha Ha!! Have not used any Kamui tips so I don't know about them. I can see where if you had expensive ivory on you cue and your tip got thin you could crack it with a hard hit.
 
Had my tip replaced and the tip guy put a pad under it without asking me. Gave me the stick back played with it for a week. Saw the tip guy the next week at the bar and ask him very nicely to take it of.
First off I did not ask for it and after playing with it for a week I did not like the hit. It could have been just me but it was a different feel. He changed it out and Iam back to running out racks.

What type of tip pad did he install ?
Neil
 
I installed pads under my tips, but mainly because I use very hard tips, and it helps to keep them from popping off under extreme English situations.

UltraSkin HH with a red fiber pad on an LBM uncapped ferrule is the best hitting combo I have yet to find!
13.3mm shaft (but I think the hit would still be great regardless of tip size)
 
I received a PM from someone asking for clarification on why a fiber pad would aid in keeping the tip on, when you are introducing yet another glue joint to a simple system.

After answering the PM, I decided to post it here incase it might help someone else understand also:

The issue has to do with how materials compress and contract during contact with the cueball.

No matter what type of tip you play with... soft, med, hard, phenolic etc.

When the cueball makes contact with the tip, the tip deforms, and material from the moves outward from the center of the tips (imagine a water balloon sitting on a table, and you press on top of the water balloon, as the balloon flattens from the downward pressure, the sides also get bigger to allow for the change in pressure.)

This same concept happens with a cuetip on a shaft when a ball is struck. When you use a hard tip, and a harder ferrule material.. there is much less movement involved in this process as the materials themselves are much more rigid.

In this particular case, according to the laws of physics, the vibrations and deformation of material will follow the path of least resistance and try to find the most pliable material in your setup to apply those forces too.

In most cases, this weak link is the glue joint of your tip install.

To avoid these additional stresses, I add a fiber pad between my HH tip, and my LBM ferrule (VERY HARD), this allows a more pliable material to allow movement and less stress on the glue joint itself.
 
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