I can relate to that.
First 'real' money game experience
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There have been several married pool players.
Its possible they bet on things outside of money. One possible bet is who has to stay home and babysit while the other plays pro pool.
Between Tyler and Marge. Marge has a better chance at being profitable. Tyler been a Mosconi loser for awhile now.
USA needed a belarusian not a russian.
Its possible they bet on things outside of money. One possible bet is who has to stay home and babysit while the other plays pro pool.
Between Tyler and Marge. Marge has a better chance at being profitable. Tyler been a Mosconi loser for awhile now.
USA needed a belarusian not a russian.
You learn more when you lose than when you win.
Fantasyland
great report
and you lost your virginity in a meaningful money match.......
as others have said the nerves decrease as it becomes a more common situation
not recommending you make it a common occurence
to answer a question in your post
since i dont gamble much
i get more nervous gambling than tournaments but its getting better
and you lost your virginity in a meaningful money match.......
as others have said the nerves decrease as it becomes a more common situation
not recommending you make it a common occurence
to answer a question in your post
since i dont gamble much
i get more nervous gambling than tournaments but its getting better
Can anyone explain to me how this is relevant to this thread??
Pretty sure the answer to your question is no.
Generally true for most people. But I used to have a league teammate that would stay standing, turn his back to the table and talk the whole time his opponent was shooting. Had to always tell him when it was his turn or if he had just lost.
League players and true gamblers/players.... are completely different animals.
Flakeandrun
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Gave this guy the benefit of the doubt for a while. But he's proved in a couple of threads to be a first class idiot.
He doesn't live in fantasy land. He needs help lol
Flakeandrun
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Gave this guy the benefit of the doubt for a while. But he's proved in a couple of threads to be a first class idiot/troll.
Flakeandrun
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That's kinda rude in my book. As an opponent, I'd probably be telling him to STFU
Reminds me of O'Sullivan, playing with a towel on his head so he can't get too emotionally invested or upset by the frame.
Flakeandrun
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Someone asked about the 'special' kick shot in the first set. So I will describe it below.
Cueball is sitting on the bottom left of the table.
The 8-ball is sitting above the middle right pocket, about a foot to the left and a foot up from it.
I am hooked by more than one ball and can't really see it.
I kick from the top rail, and cut the 8-ball into the middle.
My other option was to kick off a side rail, and call the top left corner, but I chose to call the middle because there was a better percentage of a safe outcome.
It felt good, and I played it with confidence. In the context of that set, It had that 'nail in the coffin' feeling.
Cueball is sitting on the bottom left of the table.
The 8-ball is sitting above the middle right pocket, about a foot to the left and a foot up from it.
I am hooked by more than one ball and can't really see it.
I kick from the top rail, and cut the 8-ball into the middle.
My other option was to kick off a side rail, and call the top left corner, but I chose to call the middle because there was a better percentage of a safe outcome.
It felt good, and I played it with confidence. In the context of that set, It had that 'nail in the coffin' feeling.
Enjoyed that thoroughly dude!! Word of warning: those emotions you speak of... Playing like this can become something you really enjoy and go after. Nothing like tournament play. Whole nuther animal, so to speak. Just don't let it get to the point where you're not enjoying yourself, or playing at your level becomes a stressful cortisol-ridden mess.Yesterday, I played three sets for the most money per set I've played to date (probably no sweat to some of the standards here, but big enough for me).
The boss set this match up for me, after talking about how I'd improved/was playing more consistently. He asked If I was down to play for 'something', and I had a feeling this wasn't a random occasion and something he'd set-up for himself - It was against someone that I have previously played some close games with - So, I put up a decent amount myself, and a couple of others got in on it too. In the end, there were three or four involved, and a few people came to watch.
Felt the pressure/anxiety growing before the game started... But I actually quite enjoyed this experience on the whole (and I didn't think it would be my cup of tea if I'm honest). I actually felt less nervous than when playing tournament play, which I did not expect.
Rules: Sets to 7 - What I would call Chinese-8 hybrid ruling (no pocket calling except for black ball - Diamond 9-foot), all ball fouls - winner breaks - store racker racks the balls
First set -
I demolished the guy 7-1 - was really happy with my performance. I played position well, and had a couple of clearances. Played a pretty special kick shot when I was 3-1 up, and I saw the guys confidence really drop at this point. Really gave me the incentive and confidence - the ruthless feeling. Naturally I agreed to take another set after.
Second set -
This was much closer, he was 5-3 up, and I felt like there wasn't much I could do about that. He had a couple of clearances, some as a result of some careless shots that fluked a ball in (the negative side of this Chinese-8 style of play... can't stand it on these tables... I felt some frustration creeping in at this point).
I came back well to 5-5. At this point, I made a nice jump shot cut to the middle pocket, and was hoping the ball would run off two cushions for position... but it scratched in the bottom corner. making it 6-5. The final rack, he broke, took 5 balls off the table, and then sandwiched me behind the black, frozen to a cushion. I shook his hand (7-5).
Couldn't leave it at 1 set each could I?
Third set -
It was past midnight, and both of us were quite tired. I think that we both played a really close set, and it was going blow for blow. I missed an opportunity to go two racks in front at 3-2, which I think I really needed mentally and would have changed the outcome. I broke, ran four balls, and came close to laying a safety. He kicked out and made a ball to the corner, finished the rack and came level. we went rack for rack this whole set.
I played a nice carom to make a ball in the middle at 5-5 (I still call all my shots even though I don't need to, and it made everyone laugh a little at this point - I got a few '好球好球‘ from the small crowd), then finished a relatively complicated run-out. Felt really good about finishing it off.
6-5 to me, and I lost the next rack... the ball looked dead set to sit in the middle of the table, with all the balls on after the break... but it was kicked to the top corner by the 9... I had nothing but a harsh cut into the middle, which I bottled... we drew level at 6-6.
Final rack:
So, Hill-hill, and damn it was a close game! He took 6 balls off the table, but then missed, and the 7 was now lying so that it was frozen above the middle pocket... I felt pretty good, with all my balls on. I made them all, but really fucked up my position getting to the 8-ball - it was a long ball, coming off two cushions, and I was playing to have the 8 in the corner after... but, after screwing this up, I was left with two options, either play a harsh cut to middle, leaving him a shot on the 7 if I miss... or bank, and leave a potential bank if I miss... I played the bank... it hit above the pocket I called, and the spin carried it into the opposite pocket... I lost...
Everyone was silent for a moment... except for me, who slammed the side of the table and said "F'ing C***" quite loudly (...at myself, not the opponent, he was a lovely bloke) - then, after a couple seconds, there were murmurs of this around the room... as in, everyone copied saying this
Summary:
So, anyway, I actually really enjoyed everything about the game (except the loss of some money...enough for it to sting a little). It was fun, good competition, memorable and I never had that feeling of playing for 'something' that felt quite like this. The guy I played was really respectful, and a good competitor. I am not sure I will make it a regular thing. But I will certainly consider, and feel more confident when laying money down in the future.
Does anyone else feel more or less nerves in money games vs tournament play? I really wasn't expecting I'd approach it with much confidence, let alone play more than one set. But I was keen to try.
(I have tried to make this as readable as possible, but I know my writing style isn't to everyone's taste)
'It'will try to take you there. Whatever demon 'it' may be. Lol.
Take what you can use from an old roadie who went down that rabbit hole more than once, I might add. Lol.
Also, every successful hustle I've had left the other player thinking he should have won that set. Watch out for this and examine the games carefully. How he won, ball selection, intentional misses and safeties, when they occurred, etc... You'll find the answer you seek if done properly.
Btw... I almost never win the first set. Over confidence in newbie money players is a killer. I often look for this very thing dude. Lol. Not saying this is you, just my fodder for the cannons. Lol
Flakeandrun
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As someone who isn't from a gamble/hustle culture (most person to person betting opportunities, whether it was cue sports/coarsing/racing etc etc have been replaced by 'bookies' and gambling shops for a long time - betting on other sports rather than personal endeavors or match-ups), so this experience really helped me understand the 'rush' and adrenaline that I'd read or heard people talking about.
As I mentioned, I will play it by feeling, and apply a little bit of logic/foresight when approaching match-ups in the future.
I am thankful that my upbringing instilled quite a cautious approach. I'd say where I am from we are more familiar betting for a drink than physical currency
Here, I have come to learn a lot about sharking, petty gambling and generally people 'hustling' - the culture here is not adverse to 'fun and games', even when playing for light fee or small tidbits. So generally, I think I have a good read on things.
interestingly, I feel that because of the cultural differences already involved, I am already considering a persons actions Vs. their real intentions...
Absolutely aware of this! I did apply this thinking when summarizing the events. I think this was a pretty even match-up. I would acknowledge he is a good player, but given the way we both played, I don't think there was much room for manipulating the perspectives. I know where I played well, because I was running out. I also feel like it was absolutely my fault I lost the last set - definitely 'user error'
I feel like I should have won, because by all accounts... I could and should have (even missing, I could have been safer/more cautious)
I was really interested in the difference in anxiety/nerves/adrenaline compared to tournament play, I had these pre-conceptions of how I should be feeling at certain points, and they didn't align with how I was actually feeling at the time. Maybe it was the less formal context? Maybe it was the feeling of support from an audience? Maybe it was just knowing there is more than an entry-fee riding on the outcome?
Glad you enjoyed reading, and thanks for the advice
Apologies for the 'advice'. Didn't want it to come across that way, but I should have reread it B4 hitting the reply button. You sound like an intelligent guy and analyzed all the variables mentioned, so next time, kick his ass!!As someone who isn't from a gamble/hustle culture (most person to person betting opportunities, whether it was cue sports/coarsing/racing etc etc have been replaced by 'bookies' and gambling shops for a long time - betting on other sports rather than personal endeavors or match-ups), so this experience really helped me understand the 'rush' and adrenaline that I'd read or heard people talking about.
As I mentioned, I will play it by feeling, and apply a little bit of logic/foresight when approaching match-ups in the future.
I am thankful that my upbringing instilled quite a cautious approach. I'd say where I am from we are more familiar betting for a drink than physical currency
Here, I have come to learn a lot about sharking, petty gambling and generally people 'hustling' - the culture here is not adverse to 'fun and games', even when playing for light fee or small tidbits. So generally, I think I have a good read on things.
interestingly, I feel that because of the cultural differences already involved, I am already considering a persons actions Vs. their real intentions...
Absolutely aware of this! I did apply this thinking when summarizing the events. I think this was a pretty even match-up. I would acknowledge he is a good player, but given the way we both played, I don't think there was much room for manipulating the perspectives. I know where I played well, because I was running out. I also feel like it was absolutely my fault I lost the last set - definitely 'user error'
I feel like I should have won, because by all accounts... I could and should have (even missing, I could have been safer/more cautious)
I was really interested in the difference in anxiety/nerves/adrenaline compared to tournament play, I had these pre-conceptions of how I should be feeling at certain points, and they didn't align with how I was actually feeling at the time. Maybe it was the less formal context? Maybe it was the feeling of support from an audience? Maybe it was just knowing there is more than an entry-fee riding on the outcome?
Glad you enjoyed reading, and thanks for the advice
One thing I would add is crowd control and mental conditioning for crowds. I will abso put on a show if I get feedback that spectators are enjoying themselves. I have to curb this as it doesn't help where action is concerned. I don't want people to ever see 'my real game' if at all possible. My ego overrides this at times and it's cost me several what could have been lucrative match-ups.
It's difficult not to feed off the enthusiasm of spectators at certain times in a match.
I'm sure you felt this going in. It can also go the other way.
For myself, I had to suppress the urge to kick ass and stay focused on my game plan for that particular match. Didn't always work, but did more than not. My losses usually occurred when I deviated from said plan.
I hope you have many more adrenaline ridden exploits in your future!! Thanks for tolerating an old farts comments!!
Helps my delusionary thinking that I'm still viable. Lol.
Flakeandrun
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I hadn't even thought of the concept of hiding my 'game speed' - I just wanted to flat out win. Again, my lack of background/'hustle' culture has me a little green behind the ears. I guess that's why I took a lot of positivity from the crowd, because I didn't try to dumb down my speed at all (but I think the other player is already quite familiar with my speed, as I'd played him 5/6 times before).
I would say that I have improved focus and temperament. I don't throw all of my toys out of the pram, or get so down. I am learning slowly that running racks and rolls are a part of the game. Ebbs and flows, ups and downs, rollercoaster... I'd definitely be up for playing similar scenarios/match-ups, probably won't be playing for the same value for a few months... I'll still be trying 100% to win, no concealing of speed (I think language barrier also impacts here, because I can't talk my game up or down in the right way and I rely on the boss to organize people for me to play)
I appreciate thoughtful comments, that's what forums are for!
I would say that I have improved focus and temperament. I don't throw all of my toys out of the pram, or get so down. I am learning slowly that running racks and rolls are a part of the game. Ebbs and flows, ups and downs, rollercoaster... I'd definitely be up for playing similar scenarios/match-ups, probably won't be playing for the same value for a few months... I'll still be trying 100% to win, no concealing of speed (I think language barrier also impacts here, because I can't talk my game up or down in the right way and I rely on the boss to organize people for me to play)
I appreciate thoughtful comments, that's what forums are for!
Keep making the U.S. look good. Better representation than most I know!! LolI hadn't even thought of the concept of hiding my 'game speed' - I just wanted to flat out win. Again, my lack of background/'hustle' culture has me a little green behind the ears. I guess that's why I took a lot of positivity from the crowd, because I didn't try to dumb down my speed at all (but I think the other player is already quite familiar with my speed, as I'd played him 5/6 times before).
I would say that I have improved focus and temperament. I don't throw all of my toys out of the pram, or get so down. I am learning slowly that running racks and rolls are a part of the game. Ebbs and flows, ups and downs, rollercoaster... I'd definitely be up for playing similar scenarios/match-ups, probably won't be playing for the same value for a few months... I'll still be trying 100% to win, no concealing of speed (I think language barrier also impacts here, because I can't talk my game up or down in the right way and I rely on the boss to organize people for me to play)
I appreciate thoughtful comments, that's what forums are for!
There's a lot to be said for heart first. Musicians learn that way. "This is the way." as the Mandolorians say.I hadn't even thought of the concept of hiding my 'game speed' - I just wanted to flat out win. Again, my lack of background/'hustle' culture has me a little green behind the ears. I guess that's why I took a lot of positivity from the crowd, because I didn't try to dumb down my speed at all (but I think the other player is already quite familiar with my speed, as I'd played him 5/6 times before).
I would say that I have improved focus and temperament. I don't throw all of my toys out of the pram, or get so down. I am learning slowly that running racks and rolls are a part of the game. Ebbs and flows, ups and downs, rollercoaster... I'd definitely be up for playing similar scenarios/match-ups, probably won't be playing for the same value for a few months... I'll still be trying 100% to win, no concealing of speed (I think language barrier also impacts here, because I can't talk my game up or down in the right way and I rely on the boss to organize people for me to play)
I appreciate thoughtful comments, that's what forums are for!
If ya got the means