you must live so we can strengthen the movement
First the aiming wars, now the center ball wars.
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you must live so we can strengthen the movement
I started playing pool 4 years ago. I would most often shoot with nothing but center ball mainly because I was still learning to aim but also because all of the LD shaft advertisements and these forums told me I would miss my target aim point due to squirt and swerve. Guess what? They were right. When I started to gain confidence in my ball pocketing I gradually started using more and more english, when needed. Gradually I got better using english to where now I am not afraid to use 2 tips of spin on a full table length shot and bring the cue back around the table 3 or 4 rails, if necessary. I dont often throw balls in, again only when needed. I dont use outside to offset CIT, I just use centerball unless I need the spin to get the cue ball somewhere. If I need to cinch a shot I almost always prefer to use a rolling ball center ball shot if I wont scratch, I am familiar enough of where I need to aim to pocket the ball. I love using english now, when necessary. Does that mean I successfully used the STFU method?
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Most of the arguments are because too many on here seem to have trouble understanding what they are reading. For example, on this topic of center ball. One side says to use mainly center axis. Far too many on the other side read it as never use any english. Then they start saying that the mainly center ball users don't know how to play, and can't use english, and then it goes downhill from there.
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Hi Neil,
I know you are not referring to me but what do you think about my post 96 and 98 here?http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=405425&page=7
It is a good drill. Ever done the wagon wheel drill? (it's F7 of the fundamentals drill on the Billiard University test http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=321301) It's also done with the vertical axis of the cb.
I was asking if you use amount of english to control the line, rather than draw or follow, in that drill or shots like it.
For sure I have done the wagon wheel drill. It is a must do drill imo and yes when the object ball is farther away from the rail you must be able to use the vertical axis precisely.
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I prefer not to use english unless I want to change the natural line. In your example, no english is necessary, and it is easier without english.
Thanks for the response. I dont find the English necessary but it is certainly easier for me to control the line using English. When using vertical axis only if I am off on my speed then the cueball is not sliding at contact and the cueball will not rebound straight out.
If I am off on my speed when using outside english it doesnt matter as much and the cueball is not sliding and it will still rebound straight out.
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I'm just saying since the prefered cueball direction is to rebound straight out I like to roll the cueball and use outside english to rebound straight out. The amount of outside english depends on the angle of the shot. This is much easier than trying to slide the cueball in so that you can rebound on the tangent line.
And I always thought that to make the cueball rebound straight - 90 degrees from the rail - I had to use inside english - silly me.
That is silly!
I agree with this comment. Center ball seems like a very reasonable topic of discussion, especially since most amateur players probably play too much spin anyways. It is certainly as worthy of discussion as the comparison of different shafts and whether or not they are worth the money is. I guarantee that learning where to correctly play the CB and minimizing your need for english will improve your game more than any shaft.
Don't worry about my delete. I was going to post something, re-read it, and realized I had misread something. No problem. Drill can be done either way. And, in this particular drill, the amount of english required if one uses it is minimal anyways.
Actually, the tangent line is slightly away from the pocket. So, when using no english, you want a little bit of follow to come straight up table.
Exactly! I'm not saying that it isn't a reasonable topic to discuss. This post was a metaphor to how absolutely ridiculous some of us analyze things and how poorly things are discussed. People are trying to have a Centerball (axis) vs. spin war and its completely idiotic because there is a time and a place for everything. I used to over spin and have worked really hard to only use one tip of english where I used to use two.
When somebody on the forum translates advocating center axis as saying **** you to people who use spin, it becomes a "war" lol
You are rolling the ball... unless you accidentally leave yourself a very small angle.