First the aiming wars, now the center ball wars.

[ENGLISH!]

I'm just saying since the prefered cueball direction is to rebound straight out I like to roll the cueball and use outside english to rebound straight out. The amount of outside english depends on the angle of the shot. This is much easier than trying to slide the cueball in so that you can rebound on the tangent line.

As you know it sort of depends on the angle of the shot & then at what intended speed given the distance between the balls, but 'in general' I find myself using the combination english that I referenced earlier, say at 4:30 or 7:30 give or take depending on the angle.

I guess this not so much for you but for others if they are interested.

Edit: Perhaps I have the wrong shot in mind. Would you care to throw it out again?

 

[(((Satori)))]

Don't worry about my delete. I was going to post something, re-read it, and realized I had misread something. No problem. Drill can be done either way. And, in this particular drill, the amount of english required if one uses it is minimal anyways.

It's all good.


My point being though most "vertical axis only unless needed" advocates play this shot wrong. It can certainly be played using vertical axis only but it is a margin of error thing. Your speed can be off when using english.

 

[Drop The Rock]

It's all good.


My point being though most "vertical axis only unless needed" advocates play this shot wrong. It can certainly be played using vertical axis only but it is a margin of error thing. Your speed can be off when using english.

Oh do they? Your speed cant be off when using english either because you can lose the cueball. Speed cant really be off in any situation. Meanwhile Dennis Orcollo is a vertical Axis only unless needed player, he has said so in interviews. Unless you can come to Houston and play Manny Chau, Ernesto Bayaua and a few others that play out of here, even then I don't want to hear it.

This is exactly my point in that you are using logical fallacies like "most" to describe people who advocate center axis before english. Center ball or near center should be the GOAL. Does that mean I'm going to shoot the wrong shot because I refuse to use spin??? Why the hell would I do that? I play one pocket all the time, do you think I'm just gonna not use spin ever? NO! will I not use spin if I dont have to and need to have precise speed control? Yes. Addtionally I would much rather learn proper speed control than rely on spinning the ball all the time. There is a reason why the top pros stay as close to center as possible, other than Earl and he isn't at the top anymore.

My issue is not with what you are saying, its that you seem to be implying that "unless" needed means a situation where we need two tips of inside to spin 3 rails. With 0 rail contact spin is usually not needed. Sometimes when there is rail contact, it is necesarry. Sometimes, I use it the way you refer to but when it isn't necessary, I don't. That's what unless necessary means!

 

[(((Satori)))]

oh do they? Your speed cant be off when using english either because you can lose the cueball. Speed cant really be off in any situation. Meanwhile dennis orcollo is a vertical axis only unless needed player, he has said so in interviews. Unless you can come to houston and play manny chau, ernesto bayaua and a few others that play out of here, even then i don't want to hear it.

This is exactly my point in that you are using logical fallacies like "most" to describe people who advocate center axis before english. Center ball or near center should be the goal. Does that mean i'm going to shoot the wrong shot because i refuse to use spin??? Why the hell would i do that? I play one pocket all the time, do you think i'm just gonna not use spin ever? No! Will i not use spin if i dont have to and need to have precise speed control? Yes. Addtionally i would much rather learn proper speed control than rely on spinning the ball all the time. There is a reason why the top pros stay as close to center as possible, other than earl and he isn't at the top anymore.

My issue is not with what you are saying, its that you seem to be implying that "unless" needed means a situation where we need two tips of inside to spin 3 rails. With 0 rail contact spin is usually not needed. Sometimes when there is rail contact, it is necesarry. Sometimes, i use it the way you refer to but when it isn't necessary, i don't. That's what unless necessary means!

stfu! .

 

[(((Satori)))]

^^^^^^ I'm only playing man.

It's probably so late in this thread now that people wont understand that joke.

 

[Drop The Rock]

:thumbup:

^^^^^^ I'm only playing man.

You see where I'm coming from though don't you. Its the guys who completely dismiss one side or the other who are part of the problem. Lol I have never seen you come anywhere close to posting something like that!

Really my main thing is that I use it when I need to and when I don't, I don't.

 

[(((Satori)))]

:thumbup:

You see where I'm coming from though don't you. Its the guys who completely dismiss one side or the other who are part of the problem. Lol I have never seen you come anywhere close to posting something like that!

Really my main thing is that I use it when I need to and when I don't, I don't.

Yeah I see where you are coming from.

But I still know I am right about what I posted. Set up that drill for Manny and see if he stays on center axis or if he uses a touch of outside.

You can still be off on your speed and this will effect how far the cueball will travel but your line will stay much truer shooting it this way as opposed to staying on the vertical axis.

My point was a lot of people who think vertical axis only unless needed think that this is a shot that vertical axis only is best. Manny knows better Im certain.

 

[Neil]

Yeah I see where you are coming from.

But I still know I am right about what I posted. Set up that drill for Manny and see if he stays on center axis or if he uses a touch of outside.

You can still be off on your speed and this will effect how far the cueball will travel but your line will stay much truer shooting it this way as opposed to staying on the vertical axis.

My point was a lot of people who think vertical axis only unless needed think that this is a shot that vertical axis only is best. Manny knows better Im certain.

Not hard using center ball axis only though. I ran off a rack doing that drill with nothing but center axis.

 

[LAMas]

I started to learn how to shoot cut angles with a protractor on the table. Using center CB hit, I could never get the geometrically correct angles that I memorized. I was a victim of CIT and had to use a touch of outside or TOO to recover.

I tried PIITH with my girlfriend and next thing you know we had to get married.:smile:

Be well.

 

[RiverCity]

Does that mean I successfully used the STFU method?

Nope, you talked too fooking much..... :thumbup:

PIITH was one of my favorite videos when I first started playing pool, long before I knew about AZ! STFU is a a good one too, I use it with my wife all the time.

Thanks for the nod on PIITH, PIITH 2 'The Awakening' never made it to post production...... one of these days I might finish it off.

I tried PIITH with my girlfriend and next thing you know we had to get married.:smile:

Be well.

See I knew I should have released PIITH 2. Crucial information was left out that might have been beneficial for you. The missing pieces of the puzzle include a 'position' system called, 'Time to Review Options then Jam And Nail it' or T.R.O.J.A.N., and a cueing system I like to call, 'Put the Ultimate Smooth Stroke on Yer'rock' or P.U.S.S.Y. for short..... Keeps you from getting in trouble for those times you might not be thinking clearly. :thumbup:

So remember, if you are planning on 'Putting It In the Hole', you should also remember T.R.O.J.A.N. before P.U.S.S.Y.

 

[Drop The Rock]

Nope, you talked too fooking much..... :thumbup:


Thanks for the nod on PIITH, PIITH 2 'The Awakening' never made it to post production...... one of these days I might finish it off.


See I knew I should have released PIITH 2. Crucial information was left out that might have been beneficial for you. The missing pieces of the puzzle include a 'position' system called, 'Time to Review Options then Jam And Nail it' or T.R.O.J.A.N., and a cueing system I like to call, 'Put the Ultimate Smooth Stroke on Yer'rock' or P.U.S.S.Y. for short..... Keeps you from getting in trouble for those times you might not be thinking clearly. :thumbup:

So remember, sometimes if you are planning on 'Putting It In the Hole', you should also remember T.R.O.J.A.N. before P.U.S.S.Y.

This is amazing

 

[pt109]

Nope, you talked too fooking much..... :thumbup:

When you first introduced me to the STFU system, I got really PIITHed off.
:angry:


But I'm okay now....:happydance:

 

[ps611846]

I started to learn how to shoot cut angles with a protractor on the table. Using center CB hit, I could never get the geometrically correct angles that I memorized. I was a victim of CIT and had to use a touch of outside or TOO to recover.

I tried PIITH with my girlfriend and next thing you know we had to get married.:smile:

Be well.

Good post man