First time at APA 9 ball in Vegas next month - any advice?

SeamusNH

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I've been playing 8 ball in the APA for 9 years and 9-ball for the past two. My 9 ball team qualified for Vegas a few weeks ago and we'll be there August 8 to 14th; Westgate Resort/Casino. Any advice on how to prepare for this? The tables are 7 foot which is a significant change from the 9 footers we usually play on. We are going to try to find some 7 foot tables in the area to practice.

Also would appreciate any tips on travel. I've been to Vegas many times (not for APA). We all got free tickets on Spirit Airlines which has the worst baggage policies I've ever seen. Should we be trying to put our cue bags in checked luggage or ship them separately?

Thanks in advance...

Seamus
 
there are various times when practice tables are available.......... they take dollar coins............ there are change machines and free water everywhere............... the food prices at the WestGate restaurants are outrageous but the service and the portions are great........... all the food is excellent.............. Sid's Cafe usually runs lunch specials.. $12....... Fresco Italiano is nice... get the meatball appetizer. .... Benihana is nice but again expensive.... 2 people .. dinner and drinks is about $150 with tip.......... Edge Steakhouse prices scared me away.... have fun ........ play and win


Kim
 
Cue travel is a bit iffy, I flew Spirit several times, they lost my bag once on way home for a week before they dropped it off at my house. The safest way is probably to send the cues to the hotel through UPS or something, especially if you don't have a non-stop flight.

Due to the lost bag, I have only booked non-stop flights to minimize any goofs on their part. It's one thing to lose some shorts, another to lose a $1,000 custom cue and try to get even half of that back from the airline.

For tables to practice on, from your user name you are in NH, see how far Holyoke is for you. Ivory Billiards has tournaments on their 7 foot Valleys, and they are setup very well there, some of the best 7 footers outside of Diamonds I have played on.

I never play on 7 footers on purpose aside from league so there may be something closer to you I don't know about, but I know from the random bars I play at, Ivory Billiards has the best setup 7 footers in the area.

You can play on some 8 footers in Crow's Nest but those are Diamonds and will play quite a bit different.
 
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Following....I need the info as well

(My team is going for the first time, too...for 8-ball)
 
Put all the teams cases in one of the locking canvas bags they sell.
Should fit 5 cases. Ship that bag either on Spirit or via UPS to your hotel. That way everybody's stuff is together.

Scott Lee
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I've been playing 8 ball in the APA for 9 years and 9-ball for the past two. My 9 ball team qualified for Vegas a few weeks ago and we'll be there August 8 to 14th; Westgate Resort/Casino. Any advice on how to prepare for this? The tables are 7 foot which is a significant change from the 9 footers we usually play on. We are going to try to find some 7 foot tables in the area to practice.

Also would appreciate any tips on travel. I've been to Vegas many times (not for APA). We all got free tickets on Spirit Airlines which has the worst baggage policies I've ever seen. Should we be trying to put our cue bags in checked luggage or ship them separately?

Thanks in advance...

Seamus
 
Make use of the food place in the sports book, it's still on the pricey side, but better than
the Edge, Benihanna or the other places. Unless it's changed, the practice tables (all Valleys at this event) are located
in the casino going back toward the sports book, first one there gets the table, very late at night is probably the easiest time.

I know some folks like to ship their cues and have them waiting when they get there. This is something I would never do. Some folks swear by it
but I have seen things go wrong, cues and cases lost, addressed wrong, put with someone else's luggage, accidentally picked up b y the wrong
group or person. I'll check them through with me, for me that's the easiest way to keep a watchful eye on them. It's what works best for me.
Maybe if it's possible to have one person fly South West or Delta (or United, or something else) and check everyone's cues in a couple of 4X8 cases in an army duffel or something like that.

In the past couple of years, there have been a few practice tables located to the extreme left of the first tournament room you come to,
the one across from the APA shirt vendor. You have to walk through the doors that look like you're not supposed to go through them to
your left and they have been in the room kind of behind the tournament room, or there's always Griffs, excellent place, but for some reason busy (I can't imagine why....).

You'll want to eat well, and why shouldn't you? After all you're in Las Vegas. There is no shortage of A-1, 5 star food establishments and all very available
and just a short monorail ride away. Let me just tell you that I have visited a number of fine establishments there and two of the best steakhouses I've ever been
to are in Las Vegas. The SLS has one of the very best you'll ever find, however, at the Westgate you are on the edge of the strip and just a stones throw
away from Starbucks, McDonalds, and couple of decent Taco places and some passable Mexican food about a 15 or 20 minute walk away (toward downtown)
and I'm sure more that I don't know about. In the morning breakfast is fairly easy to come by even if you don't head to the buffet, but the buffet is the simplest or the APA food area.

One of my favorite places there is called The Stage Door, it's by the Flamingo. It a local's bar and I believe for like $3 you can get something like a PBR and quarter lb Hot dog.
I never cared much for PBR until we happened upon that place. Find a seat at the bar, play Keno, or Black Jack, Video Poker, have some dogs and brews and make some new friends.
I loved it, this place is the shit.

The thing is, there is never as much free time as you think there might be. Enjoy it and treat yourself right. Tell you what, if you find the right foot massage spa, then a cold
beer or a good dinner (even if it's brews and dogs) and you have a chance to laugh out loud because just about everyone that would call or text is right there with you, there's
a good chance you'll play some of the best pool you've ever played, and if not you'll get 'em next time. Don't forget to spend some time in the pool, if you don't you'll wish you did.
 
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They have a massage parlor there and one of the Asian ladies has 6 fingers on each hand and that's why they charge extra.
 
Thanks for the advice. A teammate looked into shipping cues and it is better to just check them. We're not taking much in the way of clothes as it is 100+ degrees there in August.
 
Thanks for the advice. A teammate looked into shipping cues and it is better to just check them. We're not taking much in the way of clothes as it is 100+ degrees there in August.

That is one of my missions in the next week. I wanna see how much more it would be to ship them versus paying for a checked bag, and hoping said checked bag actually gets there when we do... Coming home they could be checked, of course.

If its too much, we'll go the checked bag route.
 
This will be my 7th time in 10 years making it with a team. We are there for 9 ball also.

Bring a light sweatshirt, they have the AC BLASTING in there.

The tables are easy, big pocket Valleys.

ANY shot that might be bad, CALL A REF!!!! With the short amount of time they give for an entire 9 ball match, 2 hours 45 minutes, you don't want to waste a second, If a shot is bad and no ref is watching the rule is that the call goes to the shooter. I can miss my ball entirely, if no ref is present I can say I git it and there isn't shit you can do about it. You will face lots of dishonest people that will do anything to win. So save yourself any arguments, if a shot can be potentially bad call a ref over to watch it.

KNOW YOUR RULES!! Lots of rule nazis out there, they will blatantly lie. If it sounds shady call a ref.

Get lots of rest, the schedule for 9 ball is brutal and the days are long.

Like everyone has said about eating, the food at the Westgate is decent, not cheap. I usually rent a car and get out a bit. Hot and Juicy is awesome if you like seafood, there is a great BBQ place not far away under the highway, I forget the name. My all time favorite breakfast out there is called JAMMS. The Wynn buffet is the best in my opinion.

Pay no mind to complaints about handicaps, yours or your opponents. It won't do any good. If a 3 is shooting like a 5 too bad, do not waste one second getting in your players head about it or arguing. If they are complaining about your handicaps let it go. I haven't seen that many people out there who are grossly underhandicapped. I knew a guy whose 8 ball team made it to the top 8, they had 3 W's next to their names- meaning 3 of their players had a "watch" on them where a ref is instructed to watch the match. They ended up being DQ'ed, when that happens I believe the whole team is suspended from the APA for 2 years.

Good luck, my real name is Ben Lewis, we are from Chicago. Maybe our paths will cross out there.
 
I've been playing 8 ball in the APA for 9 years and 9-ball for the past two. My 9 ball team qualified for Vegas a few weeks ago and we'll be there August 8 to 14th; Westgate Resort/Casino. Any advice on how to prepare for this? The tables are 7 foot which is a significant change from the 9 footers we usually play on. We are going to try to find some 7 foot tables in the area to practice.

Also would appreciate any tips on travel. I've been to Vegas many times (not for APA). We all got free tickets on Spirit Airlines which has the worst baggage policies I've ever seen. Should we be trying to put our cue bags in checked luggage or ship them separately?

Thanks in advance...

Seamus

Keep practicing on the 9ft tables. Especially if the pockets are similarly tight, and the felt similarly fast. I find it easier to go from a large table to a short table than the other way around. I practice on an 8ft table at home. The smaller 6ft and 7ft bar tables are a cake walk for me. The 9ft tables are about the same. Once I get to 10ft tables, I start flubbing my shots a lot.

The reason I suspect this to be the case would be due in part to the level of accuracy needed at a distance. It's like cutting a board. Any experienced wood worker would tell you to measure twice, and cut once. That's because 1/32 of an inch over an 8ft board could result in you being off by two inches at the other end. But over 6ft, it may only be an inch.

Though the numbers above may not be entirely accurate, I hope I've conveyed the concept. If you're trained to be accurate at 9ft with rare exception, you'll be shooting on a 7ft table with your eyes closed.
 
It’s been quite a few years since I played my first time at a BCA Tournament in Vegas.

For me, it was the spectacle. Vegas. Playing in a large auditorium; not a pool hall. Bleachers. Lots of people watching. Your team and your city counting on you.

Played poorly that first time, as did many teammates. Played much better the next visit, as did my teammates.

Congratulations on winning the trip! The experience, I suspect, is unique to the individual the first time.
 
Since this is your first time, on one of your off days buy a 24 hour pass for the monorail which starts at The Westgate and goes to a handful of destinations on The Strip and see Vegas. Much cheaper than taking cabs all over the place.
 
Keep practicing on the 9ft tables. Especially if the pockets are similarly tight, and the felt similarly fast. I find it easier to go from a large table to a short table than the other way around. I practice on an 8ft table at home. The smaller 6ft and 7ft bar tables are a cake walk for me. The 9ft tables are about the same. Once I get to 10ft tables, I start flubbing my shots a lot.

The reason I suspect this to be the case would be due in part to the level of accuracy needed at a distance. It's like cutting a board. Any experienced wood worker would tell you to measure twice, and cut once. That's because 1/32 of an inch over an 8ft board could result in you being off by two inches at the other end. But over 6ft, it may only be an inch.

Though the numbers above may not be entirely accurate, I hope I've conveyed the concept. If you're trained to be accurate at 9ft with rare exception, you'll be shooting on a 7ft table with your eyes closed.

Pocketing balls is part of it, the biggest issue with 7 footers is playing position when you are used to 9 footers. I remember playing a good player in 8 ball on a 7 footer, and I kept hooking myself when playing position because I could not get the speed down and the fact that there is less area of the table but same amount of balls, which leads to tighter position areas. Should have beaten him badly since I was running out, but then I'd have one shot when position got me and there goes that.
 
Pocketing balls is part of it, the biggest issue with 7 footers is playing position when you are used to 9 footers. I remember playing a good player in 8 ball on a 7 footer, and I kept hooking myself when playing position because I could not get the speed down and the fact that there is less area of the table but same amount of balls, which leads to tighter position areas. Should have beaten him badly since I was running out, but then I'd have one shot when position got me and there goes that.

That was all mindset for me really. I could pick up the pace of the table within a couple of shots most of the time. That's when I'd start using draw, stop and everything else. More to the point, smaller tables usually have tighter groups. I've been aware of that for a long time. I had to attempt to get more breaks on a 6ft and 7ft table than on an 8ft. That was similar to 14.1 for me.
 
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