Fisher vs Ga Young Kim match on ESPN

[mrpool06]

Did anyone watch the recent airing of the match between Allison Fisher & Ga Young Kim (Cuetech Cues National 9-ball Final?)

Great match. It was interesting seeing both miss easy shots....definitely due to pressure. I think Ga Young almost broke out crying a couple of times. Not that I'm judging her, I can't imagine going head-to-head against Fisher. I think the pressure definitely got to her.

But those last two balls she missed (8-ball)......WOW.....makes me feel better about my recent (crappy) league play!!!

 

[Bishop]

Kim blew it. Kinda sad.

 

[9BallPaul]

Miss or miscue?

Watched that match yesterday. They never showed a replay of Ga Young Kim's final shot, but it looked to me as if she miscued. Only a miscue would account for how far she missed the shot. Nerves, if you ask me.

Ga Young Kim is a rising star, no question. But I believe Allison earned this victory with grittier play overall.

9BP

 

[DoomCue]

Watched that match yesterday. They never showed a replay of Ga Young Kim's final shot, but it looked to me as if she miscued. Only a miscue would account for how far she missed the shot. Nerves, if you ask me.

Ga Young Kim is a rising star, no question. But I believe Allison earned this victory with grittier play overall.

9BP

She definitely miscued, and it was eerily reminiscent of her performance in the finals of the Women's US Open a few years ago against Karen Corr. I believe Kim was the 65th ranked player at the time and just squeaked into that tournament. She made it all the way to the finals, and should've won, but nerves undid her. She atoned for that loss by winning the event the next year, and has since also won the World Championships, among other major wins. Even still, the WPBA Nationals final is proof that even the best players get nervous and fall victim to mental lapses.

Lesson learned: the mental game is just as important, if not more important, than the physical game.

-djb

 

[BVal]

Watched that match yesterday. They never showed a replay of Ga Young Kim's final shot, but it looked to me as if she miscued. Only a miscue would account for how far she missed the shot. Nerves, if you ask me.

Ga Young Kim is a rising star, no question. But I believe Allison earned this victory with grittier play overall.

9BP

She miscued on the 8 ball cut shot but in game 12 but the 8 straight down the rail in game 13 was just a plain miss. We recorded it and watched it a few times. She just plain missed it. Both Kim and Fisher are awesome players and it is nice to see they are both human and make mistakes just like the rest of it. I could not imagine the pressure they are under.

 

[swfan]

She definitely miscued, and it was eerily reminiscent of her performance in the finals of the Women's US Open a few years ago against Karen Corr. I believe Kim was the 65th ranked player at the time and just squeaked into that tournament. She made it all the way to the finals, and should've won, but nerves undid her. She atoned for that loss by winning the event the next year, and has since also won the World Championships, among other major wins. Even still, the WPBA Nationals final is proof that even the best players get nervous and fall victim to mental lapses.

Lesson learned: the mental game is just as important, if not more important, than the physical game.

-djb

Allison has won so many tournaments that I was pulling for Kim to win, but I saw her lose to Karen Corr because of nerves and it looked like she got very nervous against Allison in that match also. Kim is young and she's one of the most talented women that i've seen and when she gets to where she can slow down just a little and control her nerves she's going to be much more of a threat to win any tournament she enters.

How about a match between Ga Young Kim and Jasmin Ouschan!!!!!!!!

 

[seymore15074]

Kim blew it. Kinda sad.

Yeah, but she was looking good blowing it.

 

[PROG8R]

She is a pretty good money player.

Watched her stom the crap out of Bill Ferguson.

The guy just broke down his cue and quit.

 

[Nostroke]

Allison has won so many tournaments that I was pulling for Kim to win, but I saw her lose to Karen Corr because of nerves and it looked like she got very nervous against Allison in that match also. Kim is young and she's one of the most talented women that i've seen and when she gets to where she can slow down just a little and control her nerves she's going to be much more of a threat to win any tournament she enters.

How about a match between Ga Young Kim and Jasmin Ouschan!!!!!!!!

I believe they played in Vegas in the first or second round. I think GYK was up 5-1 or so. It went hill/hill w Jasmine squeaking it out and going on to win it all.

 

[Johnnyt]

That last game was worth $5400 more to the winner, but like you said, Kim plays for money all the time. I think it is the combination of being on TV and wanting to win the titles so bad that gets to her. I know I couldn't run three balls while being taped on video (and it was not even for TV.) Johnnyt

PS. I might add that everyone wants to beat Allision.

 

[Buzzard]

I really felt badly for her and could empathize. It reminded me of all the times I have done that myself and I think I was as shocked as she was. Also felt the same when Allison screwed up on easy shots. I actually yelled out OH NO!

 

[seymore15074]

I really felt badly for her and could empathize. It reminded me of all the times I have done that myself and I think I was as shocked as she was. Also felt the same when Allison screwed up on easy shots. I actually yelled out OH NO!

We've all choked. It's just part of the path to the top. She'll be back for another shot at Allison, I'm sure.

 

[cuechick]

It was a great match to watch...I think Allison has not won that title in a while and really wanted it. I was really pulling for her cause she is such a class act and it is hard to be King (or Queen)!

 

[VIProfessor]

I felt so bad for Ga Young Kim. If my experience is indicative, I know that she will carry that match to her grave, and I can only hope that she will be able to put it behind her.

For me, one of the most painful things about watching the match was seeing, even before she miscued the first eight ball, how tight and tentative she was getting. Even the position that she got on the eight ball, having too big an angle, stemmed from her being tentative on the seven and rolling the cue ball instead of playing more of a stun follow shot to the rail to guarantee herself the 20-degree angle that would have made the shot dog-proof. If I remember the shot clearly, even with the angle on the eight that she had, she could, had she still been thinking clearly, have cinched the eight and gone back and forth for position instead of trying to slow spin the rock.

What was more agonizing, and what should be a lesson to all of us out there, is seeing how she continued to torture herself in the chair after the miscue. From watching her in the chair, it was painfully obvious that she would not be ready to perform if another opportunity arose (which showed, of course, on the final eight ball miss). The moral, for me, was two-fold. First, a solid pre-shot routine really makes a difference in calming your nerves and keeping your head clear, and second, the mark of a great athlete is the ability to forget. After you mess up, no matter how bad it is, you've simply got to fade it and concentrate on being ready for your next turn at the table.

 

[Nostroke]

After you mess up, no matter how bad it is, you've simply got to fade it and concentrate on being ready for your next turn at the table.

Yes but do you think you can really learn that? I think there are certain traits that either you have them or you dont. There is one world champion (literally) I know of who has worked very hard on his mental game and still gets hot on almost any bad miss at the wrong time.

 

[X Breaker]

Allison always appears so calm even when she is nervous, that is very impressive.

Richard

 

[cheesemouse]

I felt so bad for Ga Young Kim. If my experience is indicative, I know that she will carry that match to her grave, and I can only hope that she will be able to put it behind her.

For me, one of the most painful things about watching the match was seeing, even before she miscued the first eight ball, how tight and tentative she was getting. Even the position that she got on the eight ball, having too big an angle, stemmed from her being tentative on the seven and rolling the cue ball instead of playing more of a stun follow shot to the rail to guarantee herself the 20-degree angle that would have made the shot dog-proof. If I remember the shot clearly,You remember correctly, when I saw the angle she left herself I thought "if just dogged my brains out like she had early I would be zorroing this shot for position on the nine". The whole thing nearly made me sick to my stomach... even with the angle on the eight that she had, she could, had she still been thinking clearly, have cinched the eight and gone back and forth for position instead of trying to slow spin the rock.

What was more agonizing, and what should be a lesson to all of us out there, is seeing how she continued to torture herself in the chair after the miscue. From watching her in the chair, it was painfully obvious that she would not be ready to perform if another opportunity arose (which showed, of course, on the final eight ball miss). The moral, for me, was two-fold. First, a solid pre-shot routine really makes a difference in calming your nerves and keeping your head clear, and second, the mark of a great athlete is the ability to forget. After you mess up, no matter how bad it is, you've simply got to fade it and concentrate on being ready for your next turn at the table.

Vip, good post...in all the years of tv matches I seen Fisher play this is the first one where I thought she lost her composure and was giving the match away and amazingly the other player gives it back....the Dutches of Doom makes them all hear the footsteps...amazing!!!

 

[VIProfessor]

Yes but do you think you can really learn that? I think there are certain traits that either you have them or you dont. There is one world champion (literally) I know of who has worked very hard on his mental game and still gets hot on almost any bad miss at the wrong time.

Yes, I do think you can learn it. IMHO, most human behavior is learned, not inherited. This means that we have the power to change the way we approach various situations. If we look at the sport of tennis, for example, Roger Federer and Bjorn Borg are legendary for of their composure, and both of them were known to be highly emotional and bratty players in their early teens. To take another example from our own sport, the knock on Mika earlier in his career was that he tended to give up once he got significantly behind. His 1998 U.S. Open match against Jim Rempe, however, demonstrated to the world that he would no longer go quietly into the night, and he has since had a stellar career (his implosion at the 2006 Mosconi Cup notwithstanding). The point is that if we acknowledge our behavior and take responsibility for it, we have the capacity to learn and to grow. As to the unnamed world champion, I think we can all guess who you're talking about. Do you really think think that his words and actions have demonstrated a serious commitment to change?

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Yes, I do think you can learn it. IMHO, most human behavior is learned, not inherited. This means that we have the power to change the way we approach various situations. If we look at the sport of tennis, for example, Roger Federer and Bjorn Borg are legendary for of their composure, and both of them were known to be highly emotional and bratty players in their early teens. To take another example from our own sport, the knock on Mika earlier in his career was that he tended to give up once he got significantly behind. His 1998 U.S. Open match against Jim Rempe, however, demonstrated to the world that he would no longer go quietly into the night, and he has since had a stellar career (his implosion at the 2006 Mosconi Cup notwithstanding). The point is that if we acknowledge our behavior and take responsibility for it, we have the capacity to learn and to grow. As to the unnamed world champion, I think we can all guess who you're talking about. Do you really think think that his words and actions have demonstrated a serious commitment to change?

That match against Jim Rempe was just incredible. Jim had the match. He is one player who I feel really should have won the US Open a few times. All it took was one mistake and he was done. In the 1998 match, Jim had total control. He tried to play a relatively straightforward safety, and I think he lined up wrong and hit the ball too thick, leaving Mika a very long and high-pressure shot. Mika nailed it and ran out, and controlled the next few games until the final frame, when Jim got unlucky after making a fantastic draw shot jacked up on the rail, but the cueball drew back and landed on top of the 9. Jim was forced to play safe, and left Mika a tough long rail bank. Mika nearly hung it up, but it fell.

I felt bad for Jim, because Mika went dancing and screaming around the room. I think that was Jim's last great attempt at winning the USOpen, he was shattered after that.

 

[Nostroke]

Yes, I do think you can learn it. IMHO, most human behavior is learned, not inherited. This means that we have the power to change the way we approach various situations. If we look at the sport of tennis, for example, Roger Federer and Bjorn Borg are legendary for of their composure, and both of them were known to be highly emotional and bratty players in their early teens. To take another example from our own sport, the knock on Mika earlier in his career was that he tended to give up once he got significantly behind. His 1998 U.S. Open match against Jim Rempe, however, demonstrated to the world that he would no longer go quietly into the night, and he has since had a stellar career (his implosion at the 2006 Mosconi Cup notwithstanding). The point is that if we acknowledge our behavior and take responsibility for it, we have the capacity to learn and to grow. As to the unnamed world champion, I think we can all guess who you're talking about. Do you really think think that his words and actions have demonstrated a serious commitment to change?

I hope you don't think i was talking about Earl.