Flipping coins to determine who breaks
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There are a lot of things that can damage table cloth. Flipping coins has to be one of the least damaging practices.
I will not permit someone to flip a coin, catch it and hold it on thier wrist. It's funny when people try to be sneaky and cheat like that and then justify it by saying it's bad for the cloth.
The previous paragraph was in no way aimed at you Mike, just speaking from my experience.
I will not permit someone to flip a coin, catch it and hold it on thier wrist. It's funny when people try to be sneaky and cheat like that and then justify it by saying it's bad for the cloth.
The previous paragraph was in no way aimed at you Mike, just speaking from my experience.
blueridge
Banned
Mike Porter said:
I think if the cloth companies wanted to manipulate people into damaging the cloth so that you would be buying new cloth sooner, they would try a different approach. The image would, instead have the 2 guys shooting masse shots, and the caption would read something like "Shoot more masse shots. Who cares if it cuts the cloth?"
For me
The cloth companies would hate me.
1. I don't flip for the break, I lag for the break (skill shot baby)
2. I don't shoot jump shots, I kick at balls when I'm hooked (old school baby)
3. I don't masse shots, if i can't squirt around obstructions it's then time to kick at the ball again.
Kevin
The cloth companies would hate me.
1. I don't flip for the break, I lag for the break (skill shot baby)
2. I don't shoot jump shots, I kick at balls when I'm hooked (old school baby)
3. I don't masse shots, if i can't squirt around obstructions it's then time to kick at the ball again.
Kevin
Lagging is always preferred over flipping at Hard Times Billiards in Sacramento.
Especially newly minted coins that will have sharp edges and will cause a small cut that will easily expand with just a little pressure.
Especially newly minted coins that will have sharp edges and will cause a small cut that will easily expand with just a little pressure.
Most places in the Valley of the Sun FLIP.
Love the Cartoon in post #1, coins do have SHAP EDGEs that wiil cut cloth.
Love the Cartoon in post #1, coins do have SHAP EDGEs that wiil cut cloth.
I couldn't get a toonie to cut into a piece of tissue paper. I would put no chance of it cutting cloth!
A toonie is a 2$ Canadian coin much bigger than a quarter. Masse, rakes slamming on table etc would cut cloth... coin wouldn't do it unless you have a hell of a toss and really high ceilings.
A toonie is a 2$ Canadian coin much bigger than a quarter. Masse, rakes slamming on table etc would cut cloth... coin wouldn't do it unless you have a hell of a toss and really high ceilings.
It is not allowed at The Jointed Cue in SacTown ... Lagging ONLY !!!
When I was younger and frequenting pool halls, I found that most house cues had unkept tips on them. Some of the tips that had mushroomed would fray a bit and would develop sharp edges. I always attributed the small little tears inside the kitchen to breaking with these cues.
One time after reclothing a bar table, I was sitting with the owner having a beer. The first two to play on the table were flipping for the break. Before the owner could say anything, the guy with the Looney($1coin) did not flip the coin, but actually threw the coin at the bed of the table. I thought the owner was going to kill him. Needless to he quickly put a sign up banning flipping or throwing coins on the table.
Mike
One time after reclothing a bar table, I was sitting with the owner having a beer. The first two to play on the table were flipping for the break. Before the owner could say anything, the guy with the Looney($1coin) did not flip the coin, but actually threw the coin at the bed of the table. I thought the owner was going to kill him. Needless to he quickly put a sign up banning flipping or throwing coins on the table.
Mike
Did I just stumble into Bizarro World? Not flip? Is it just something in the water in Sacramento? Seriously, I can't remember the last time I saw somebody lag for break in NYC.
Like the old card, though.
Like the old card, though.
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An old con....
Here's a little con that can be used like a LAWS rocket...one time per opponant and then you can't use it (on that person) again.
IF you do flip instead of lag for break, just say "Heads" (or tails is you prefer calling that) on the table, I win the break." Or "Tails on the table, I win."
Well, if it lands heads up, you win, usually no questions asked as long as your opponant doesn't know this trick. But, if it lands heads on the table cloth, with a tail showing and you had called "heads on the table, I win", then you won. You just say "I said heads ON THE TABLE, I win." And visa-versa for whatever you call, heads or tails.
This is an old trick (Freddy would rather call it a mild con) that's been around since water. It works best when you're playing somebody who THINKS they play good, but they're not real sure of themselves and they have a bunch of their "boys" watching him. When you pull this off real smooth, like the guy's such a dummy, it really gets in their head and mixes them up inside even more, since they look like a patsy in front of their crew. Whatever you do, if he argues, don't back down because then psychologically, he gets the stronger position. Of course, that can be rectified during the set by how good you play against him, but still, you never give back an edge or give up ground already gained.
I really like to lag in lieu of flipping coins. We always play winner breaks, so lots of times, I just give up the break to people who I know aren't real serious about their game and have no shot of winning. The bad thing about playing bangers is that often times, they'll hit the rack so bad that you end up playing a version of 14.1 8 ball or 9 ball if there's not a lot of ball distribution due to a mis-hit into the rack.
Here's a little con that can be used like a LAWS rocket...one time per opponant and then you can't use it (on that person) again.
IF you do flip instead of lag for break, just say "Heads" (or tails is you prefer calling that) on the table, I win the break." Or "Tails on the table, I win."
Well, if it lands heads up, you win, usually no questions asked as long as your opponant doesn't know this trick. But, if it lands heads on the table cloth, with a tail showing and you had called "heads on the table, I win", then you won. You just say "I said heads ON THE TABLE, I win." And visa-versa for whatever you call, heads or tails.
This is an old trick (Freddy would rather call it a mild con) that's been around since water. It works best when you're playing somebody who THINKS they play good, but they're not real sure of themselves and they have a bunch of their "boys" watching him. When you pull this off real smooth, like the guy's such a dummy, it really gets in their head and mixes them up inside even more, since they look like a patsy in front of their crew. Whatever you do, if he argues, don't back down because then psychologically, he gets the stronger position. Of course, that can be rectified during the set by how good you play against him, but still, you never give back an edge or give up ground already gained.
I really like to lag in lieu of flipping coins. We always play winner breaks, so lots of times, I just give up the break to people who I know aren't real serious about their game and have no shot of winning. The bad thing about playing bangers is that often times, they'll hit the rack so bad that you end up playing a version of 14.1 8 ball or 9 ball if there's not a lot of ball distribution due to a mis-hit into the rack.
Terry Ardeno said:
I have just the guys to use that on. Several that I play will not flip until after you have made the call. ie... will not let you call in the air. Its like they think they can change the flip after you have made the call. Of course I always loose the flip so maybe they can !!!!
Instead of flipping I would place the coin on the table with my hand covering it and ask my opponent to call it. One time my opponent said that it was not fair because I knew what it was??? I didn?t even bother trying to reason with him.
Mike
Mike
Mike Porter said:
That is some funny stuff!
To pick a nit: squirting is masseing - it's a matter of degree.
pj
chgo
Sometimes
when I have to play someone in a tournament who I know does not do
a 'legal' flip (by resting the coin on top of the thumb and forefinger, and flip the coin at least 1 foot high in the air, and let it come to rest on the bed of the table), I first explain to them their flip must be a legal one, and that if they don't flip legally or let me flip, that we will lag for break.
Some guys try to pull all kinds of things.
when I have to play someone in a tournament who I know does not do
a 'legal' flip (by resting the coin on top of the thumb and forefinger, and flip the coin at least 1 foot high in the air, and let it come to rest on the bed of the table), I first explain to them their flip must be a legal one, and that if they don't flip legally or let me flip, that we will lag for break.
Some guys try to pull all kinds of things.
supergreenman said:
Quarters and smaller on 860 or thicker is harmless.
Silver dollars on Granito Billiard cloth is a huge problem, but I havent ever seen billiard players flip for it. :grin:
Thanks Mike for the pic I awalys appericate when you post them, Please let me take you to dinner again this year at the Derby.
I can appreciate the "no flipping" rule, especially on furniture style tables (with real wood rails).
Even if the cloth is safe, I would imagine that a coin could leave a ding in the rail top pretty easily, probably even on commercial duty rails.
I know, the coin is not supposed to hit the rail top, but accidents happen. Lagging is "better" anyway, IMO.
Even if the cloth is safe, I would imagine that a coin could leave a ding in the rail top pretty easily, probably even on commercial duty rails.
I know, the coin is not supposed to hit the rail top, but accidents happen. Lagging is "better" anyway, IMO.
