Fly on the wall

[Danny Kuykendal]

I just came back from my pool room, Danny K's, and while I was there my tournament director (Wayne Norcross) and I worked on the "fly on the wall" shot. He remembers Alan Gilbert telling him that a 4 1/2 X 9 plays differently than a 5 X 10. We tested it, and it is true.

On a 5X 10 the cue ball is shot through the third diamond to complete the three rail kick, on a 4 1/2 X 9 it's the second diamond. This is using just a bit of english (maybe 1/2 a tip) and shooting medium to slow speed.

Try it, it'll work! I'm not sure why the two sized tables would differ, but they do.

Danny K

 

[ShootingArts]

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I just came back from my pool room, Danny K's, and while I was there my tournament director (Wayne Norcross) and I worked on the "fly on the wall" shot. He remembers Alan Gilbert telling him that a 4 1/2 X 9 plays differently than a 5 X 10. We tested it, and it is true.

On a 5X 10 the cue ball is shot through the third diamond to complete the three rail kick, on a 4 1/2 X 9 it's the second diamond. This is using just a bit of english (maybe 1/2 a tip) and shooting medium to slow speed.

Try it, it'll work! I'm not sure why the two sized tables would differ, but they do.

Danny K

Danny,

Speed is the issue, how much english is carried to each rail. With extra speed so that the same amount of english carries to each rail on the larger table I think you will find both tables bank the same assuming similar cushions and cloth.

Hu

 

[Bob Jewett]

... On a 5X 10 the cue ball is shot through the third diamond to complete the three rail kick, on a 4 1/2 X 9 it's the second diamond. This is using just a bit of english (maybe 1/2 a tip) and shooting medium to slow speed. ...

Is this the system that gets you to the same spot on the other side of the table after three cushions?

Yes, most pool tables play about a diamond shorter than well-maintained carom tables. I think a lot of the difference is due to the cloth, but carom balls are often polished more often than pool balls. But one time I played in a bar-table tournament, and the tables played about a diamond longer than a carom table for the typical natural bank. It was real surprising.

 

[Danny Kuykendal]

I don't think in our case it's a problem with the balls being polished. Wayne polishes all sets (Centinniels) every Sat. morning.

Gilbert had a different theory for a 4 1/2 X 9. I'm not sure why it would be different, but apparently it is. The speed of the shot (if it's shot with more speed) will probably make the ball go short on either size table, because of first cushion is being compressed with the speed, so it contacts a different spot on the second cushion.

Yes, if you put the cue ball in one corner pocket and shoot through the second diamond with a smidgeon of running english it will come very close to scratching in the lateral corner.

Dannyh\

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Yes, if you put the cue ball in one corner pocket and shoot through the second diamond with a smidgeon of running english it will come very close to scratching in the lateral corner. ...

So this is probably what's called "Opposite 3" by Byrne and I think he credited it to Ray Kilgore.

 

[Danny Kuykendal]

I'm not sure what Byrne is speaking about there. and quite honestly I'm not sure I'm labeling the diamonds correctly. I do find it odd that the two sized tables would not respond the same way on three cushion shots, though.

Maybe the size of the balls and the profile of the cushion have something to do with it?

Danny K

 

[Jimk]

I just came back from my pool room, Danny K's, and while I was there my tournament director (Wayne Norcross) and I worked on the "fly on the wall" shot. He remembers Alan Gilbert telling him that a 4 1/2 X 9 plays differently than a 5 X 10. We tested it, and it is true.

On a 5X 10 the cue ball is shot through the third diamond to complete the three rail kick, on a 4 1/2 X 9 it's the second diamond. This is using just a bit of english (maybe 1/2 a tip) and shooting medium to slow speed.

Try it, it'll work! I'm not sure why the two sized tables would differ, but they do.

Danny K

Danny, you could go in to more detail about the "fly on the wall", one great way of getting out of a jam, Jim.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So this is probably what's called "Opposite 3" by Byrne and I think he credited it to Ray Kilgore.

Sounds like the Corner 5 system to me (shooting from a foot pocket at the 2nd diamond up from the opposite head pocket to scratch in the other foot pocket).

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