For those of You that don't know... The BreakRAK is getting some attention...

skor said:
What did you introduced?
Do we have to in order to have an opinion?
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You could have stated your opinion with one post. Yet, you have single-handedly carried this thread for 3 pages, with your Dunning-Kruger remarks on the product and those who have found it to be useful.

It's a good product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.
 
@Sheldon
Why so sad? The bungee thing offers no actual break feed back. Where do the balls land? etc... Driving cue balls off a picnic table you get a better idea of force AND direction. And exercise fetching.

I suppose you can learn how top hop and park the cue ball with the bungee thing.
 
straightline said:
For the frugal among us, take a portable picnic table out into the yard and start driving them cueballs. You can buy the by them by the box for not a lot. You can go for max distance, measured distance - whatever floats your frugal ass. I've never seen a pool room with a room length alley just for driving a ball either. 50, 100 feet of plywood, any suitable cloth from Walmart, special rates (lol) done.
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The BreakRAK is NOT necessarily intended for the Power Break. It's for all breaks, 12-?? MPH. The main goal is Cue Ball Control, after IMPACT. After studying the rack of balls & where they go at impact, Gives you a goal to where you want the Cue Ball to be. The BreakRAK has been around for 25 years... it will be around for longer we, hope. It help competitive players stay competitive. Players without accuracy & control don't have a good Break SHOT, thus they aren't competitive.
 
ceebee said:
The BreakRAK is NOT necessarily intended for the Power Break. It's for all breaks, 12-?? MPH. The main goal is Cue Ball Control, after IMPACT. After studying the rack of balls & where they go at impact, Gives you a goal to where you want the Cue Ball to be. The BreakRAK has been around for 25 years... it will be around for longer we, hope. It help competitive players stay competitive. Players without accuracy & control don't have a good Break SHOT, thus they aren't competitive.
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Better than not practicing the break I suppose. What about breaks where the cue ball goes forward of the 1 ball? Or even 3 rails around the rack area?
 
CeeBee has sold a bunch of these to satisfied users. Some hack named Shane Van Boening has used one also. Must be a terrible product. Gimme a break people.
 
If you break the balls hard or soft you are still trying to control the cue ball - I don’t understand how can anyone cannot see the benefits of using it.

It amazes me how often I see that people on this forum have great information right in front of them and they’ll argue, close their eyes, or gloss right over it.
 
T411 said:
If you break the balls hard or soft you are still trying to control the cue ball - I don’t understand how can anyone cannot see the benefits of using it.

It amazes me how often I see that people on this forum have great information right in front of them and they’ll argue, close their eyes, or gloss right over it.
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Don't the bungees get in the way?
 
It was a good tool when 9ball was racked with the 1 on the spot and players where going for a square hit on the 1ball to get the wing ball in the corner and the 1 ball towards the side pocket AND controlling the CB to stay at the center of the table, using a stop hit that if done correctly, it will cause the CB to jump up off the 1ball and land in the center of the table.

This tool doesn't help at all with modern 9ball with the 9 on the spot, breaking from the box as players are focusing on making the 1ball in the side and sending the CB to the long rail and back to the center of the table (sometimes resulting in hitting and pocketing the 9ball).
You have to see that the 1ball goes into the pocket!! and adjust accordingly if you miss the pocket above or bellow it.
It will also not help if you are practicing such a break while also going to make sure that the 3 point rule is in affect.

Modern 9ball break is less about the CB control and more about the object balls control, so this tool will not be good for it. I don't care how much the inventor wants you to believe otherwise. trying to smear my (nick)name won't help with that either...

Pros that got it and used it, did it before the changes of the break in 9ball.

This tool will still provide good aid for breaks practicing if you are still going for a square hit and controlling the CB to stay at the center.
Like if the box is not in use and players can break from the side, they'll still go for the old style square break even if the 9ball is on the spot, you'll still get a ball at the top corner and the 1ball will go off the long rail towards the bottom corner.

It will also work to practice 8ball breaks unless you're looking for a second ball break, then again, it's useless.
10 ball breaks usually are hitting the top ball square so it'll work for practicing that, but who plays 10ball?

If I was an active trainer, I might have gotten such a device to work on the break with beginner students.
As a player in training, I would not waste money on such a device as it will become useless to the player progression very fast, as advanced players need to see where the object balls are going.
 
SlateMan said:
I think the benefit from this product would be the time saved factor. How long does it take you to gather the balls up and re-rack. How much of your back do you use and make sore bending over racking? If you could take 20 swings in just a few minutes as comparted to 20 swings in 30-40 minutes, what could you do with that extra time in your life? Take your hourly worth, divide the $500 bucks by your hourly worth and see the payback period on this thing...
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skor said:
It was a good tool when 9ball was racked with the 1 on the spot and players where going for a square hit on the 1ball to get the wing ball in the corner and the 1 ball towards the side pocket AND controlling the CB to stay at the center of the table, using a stop hit that if done correctly, it will cause the CB to jump up off the 1ball and land in the center of the table.

This tool doesn't help at all with modern 9ball with the 9 on the spot, breaking from the box as players are focusing on making the 1ball in the side and sending the CB to the long rail and back to the center of the table (sometimes resulting in hitting and pocketing the 9ball).
You have to see that the 1ball goes into the pocket!! and adjust accordingly if you miss the pocket above or bellow it.
It will also not help if you are practicing such a break while also going to make sure that the 3 point rule is in affect.

Modern 9ball break is less about the CB control and more about the object balls control, so this tool will not be good for it. I don't care how much the inventor wants you to believe otherwise. trying to smear my (nick)name won't help with that either...

Pros that got it and used it, did it before the changes of the break in 9ball.

This tool will still provide good aid for breaks practicing if you are still going for a square hit and controlling the CB to stay at the center.
Like if the box is not in use and players can break from the side, they'll still go for the old style square break even if the 9ball is on the spot, you'll still get a ball at the top corner and the 1ball will go off the long rail towards the bottom corner.

It will also work to practice 8ball breaks unless you're looking for a second ball break, then again, it's useless.
10 ball breaks usually are hitting the top ball square so it'll work for practicing that, but who plays 10ball?

If I was an active trainer, I might have gotten such a device to work on the break with beginner students.
As a player in training, I would not waste money on such a device as it will become useless to the player progression very fast, as advanced players need to see where the object balls are going.
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I'm kind of in the same boat. For certain situations I think it would be the bees knees. Yes it saves you from re-racking.

But the break is SO much more than squatting the CB. This isn't knocking the device. Again, good for practicing certain aspects.

I'm not a great player but I'm flabbergasted that players don't know where balls trend on the break. Even really good players. You can manipulate the general area where the balls end up by changing CB location, speed and spin. It's all about observing. Even Dr. Dave has the diagram where balls trend. If you've ever replaced cloth you can see the track lines on the slate.

To me, this aspect is way more important than squatting the CB. Again, I'm not great at this game, but even for me it's dead easy to squat a CB. I'm a nobody but I can look at the numbers or colors of a rack and know where and how to break from for good results. It's not some analysis either, it's mainly from feel and paying close attention to the break for a month or two. It's a skill that is within anyone's grasp if they pay any attention and train pattern recognition. I'm doing this stuff by "feel" without any real conscious thought.

I may be dead wrong, maybe I have a touch of the 'tism or something but anyone near or over 500FR should know this stuff. The break isn't random. There should be about half a dozen to a dozen breaks you can use to get favorable results on the first 4 or so balls. The rest is gravy. Yes, there are more variations in where balls can go than a dozen but you should only need the first 3 or so balls to be able to get shape to run out.

I should write a booklet on it but I'm much too lazy.
 
its a great tool with a limited and niche market, not inexpensive for most

a friend of mine when simply trying to enhance his break speed would just clump some balls together and put pillows around them, and measure with the break app

not quite the tool in question but it worked well for his speed development
 
For all of you that have an interest in the breakrak I would like to tell you that I am coming out with a product to compete with it. Something that all of you will want to buy. There has never been a more valuable training tool than a breakrak either btw.
 
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