For US Other People...not all u "A" Players...LONG Winded

Johnnyt

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Something that I've found over the years watching players (I always like to watch players…it' was my part-time job for many years) that have played for a few years, up to many years that can make shots well and play position medium to good, but can't seem to get to that next level. They play too fast. Most take easy shots for granted, the angle for the next shots position for granted, and tend to be lazy pool players.

What I mean by lazy pool players is that they don't think 3 balls a head, don't figure how to get position on breaking out the higher balls that are tied up early in the run (any game). They will very rarely go for the bridge or a cue extension, but stretch and miss-cue, miss the shot, or not get anywhere near the right angle for position for the next ball. On some shots they'll go around the table three to five rails when a stun-shot or reverse the QB off the rail will put them right on the next shot a foot away. They hardly ever walk around the table to see where the OB needs to go after it hits the OB. What path they have to take with the QB after making the OB when the natural path is blocked. They just try to MAYBE get lucky and miss the big ball in their way. (Bad GAMBLE) Pool is a game of fractions of an inch, not "the QB should go about there)

I know and I'm sure others on here know pool players that have been playing many hours a week for ten years or more that never get past a certain point, wheather that point is "C", "B", or in some cases a very talented natural lower "A" player that has been stuck there forever. I wish all of them would try to slow their game down a bit. I'm not saying slow like in I want to hit you in the back of the head with my cue, but slow it down in so you know where the QB is going and what angle (track) you need to be on. Practice slowing your game playing 14.1 or at least racking and breaking 15 balls. Walk around the table, think 3 ahead, and if you don't feel good about the shot when you're pre-stroking, for God sake get up and take another look at it. Never pull the trigger on anything unless you feel confident that you can make the shot. I am not a good teacher because I don't have the patients for it, and I don't like to teach anything. But I can just about guarantee you if you try to practice 14.1 or 15-ball racks at a slower pace and thinking before every shot instead of practicing 8-ball, 9-ball, or 10-ball, you will be surprised how good you really are. You will be running more racks than you ever imagined you could.

When you see how easy it really is to run 15 balls or more, go to the game you like (maybe 9-ball). Play the ghost and be amazed how you kick his ass. BIH to start with…let's not get too carried away. Johnnyt
 
I agree with most of what you say...

the "NATURALS" that I have come in contact with... assume... they are as good as it gets..

they win most of the times they play...

they must be good...


most of the "good" bar bangers I know... could be great pool players...

they just don't..

I was in awe of a few local players less than a year ago...

but now... I practice ... the right way..


and soon enough they stopped being GOD's.. and started being bangers


natural talent will take you to the top of a bar league...

but that is as far as you go...

to progress further.... you have to practice.. and work... .. there is no other way....


a hard worker with less talent will surpass a natural talent who is lazy ,,,,

Every Single Time...
 
Something that I've found over the years watching players (I always like to watch players…it' was my part-time job for many years) that have played for a few years, up to many years that can make shots well and play position medium to good, but can't seem to get to that next level. They play too fast. Most take easy shots for granted, the angle for the next shots position for granted, and tend to be lazy pool players.

What I mean by lazy pool players is that they don't think 3 balls a head, don't figure how to get position on breaking out the higher balls that are tied up early in the run (any game). They will very rarely go for the bridge or a cue extension, but stretch and miss-cue, miss the shot, or not get anywhere near the right angle for position for the next ball. On some shots they'll go around the table three to five rails when a stun-shot or reverse the QB off the rail will put them right on the next shot a foot away. They hardly ever walk around the table to see where the OB needs to go after it hits the OB. What path they have to take with the QB after making the OB when the natural path is blocked. They just try to MAYBE get lucky and miss the big ball in their way. (Bad GAMBLE) Pool is a game of fractions of an inch, not "the QB should go about there)

I know and I'm sure others on here know pool players that have been playing many hours a week for ten years or more that never get past a certain point, wheather that point is "C", "B", or in some cases a very talented natural lower "A" player that has been stuck there forever. I wish all of them would try to slow their game down a bit. I'm not saying slow like in I want to hit you in the back of the head with my cue, but slow it down in so you know where the QB is going and what angle (track) you need to be on. Practice slowing your game playing 14.1 or at least racking and breaking 15 balls. Walk around the table, think 3 ahead, and if you don't feel good about the shot when you're pre-stroking, for God sake get up and take another look at it. Never pull the trigger on anything unless you feel confident that you can make the shot. I am not a good teacher because I don't have the patients for it, and I don't like to teach anything. But I can just about guarantee you if you try to practice 14.1 or 15-ball racks at a slower pace and thinking before every shot instead of practicing 8-ball, 9-ball, or 10-ball, you will be surprised how good you really are. You will be running more racks than you ever imagined you could.

When you see how easy it really is to run 15 balls or more, go to the game you like (maybe 9-ball). Play the ghost and be amazed how you kick his ass. BIH to start with…let's not get too carried away. Johnnyt
I am guilty of many of these infractions...thanks for the tip.
 
good post. I make some of these mistakes myself. My nest goal is to be doing all of these things properly without having to think about it and force myself to. Need to make it a natural part of my game.
 
the stigma, how impacting is it?

Excellent observations JT.

May I offer one?

I believe there is a stigma attached to taking the time necessary to ensure confidence when you pull the trigger. I usually take maybe an extra 3 to 5 seconds more than average while I am down on the shot before I pull the trigger. I absolutely need to if I want to maximize my chance for success. I do NOT take more time than average before I get down on the shot (not that I am quick, but I am not slow here, although I used to be when I didn't see patterns as well).

At times, I allow people to make me feel guilty for taking this extra time. And I'm f'g tired of it. I'm tired of the sighs, the comments, the "I'm turning away 'cause I can't look", etc, etc.

And if I play a safety instead of going for a 40% shot with 60% sell-out, OMG, the sky is falling.

IMO, many players must have near instant gratification, and if you're running on 'em, taking "their" table time and opportunity, they get pissy, and choose something to bi*ch about. It only happens when I'm running on 'em and beating 'em.

Let me ask, is this stigma part of the equation as to why people don't take that extra couple seconds and thus sabotage themself?
 
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Have you been following me around watching me play?? Good post. I think most if not all players are guilty of these things to some extent. Some of us more than others....
 
Something that I've found over the years watching players (I always like to watch players…it' was my part-time job for many years) that have played for a few years, up to many years that can make shots well and play position medium to good, but can't seem to get to that next level. They play too fast. Most take easy shots for granted, the angle for the next shots position for granted, and tend to be lazy pool players.

What I mean by lazy pool players is that they don't think 3 balls a head, don't figure how to get position on breaking out the higher balls that are tied up early in the run (any game). They will very rarely go for the bridge or a cue extension, but stretch and miss-cue, miss the shot, or not get anywhere near the right angle for position for the next ball. On some shots they'll go around the table three to five rails when a stun-shot or reverse the QB off the rail will put them right on the next shot a foot away. They hardly ever walk around the table to see where the OB needs to go after it hits the OB. What path they have to take with the QB after making the OB when the natural path is blocked. They just try to MAYBE get lucky and miss the big ball in their way. (Bad GAMBLE) Pool is a game of fractions of an inch, not "the QB should go about there)

I know and I'm sure others on here know pool players that have been playing many hours a week for ten years or more that never get past a certain point, wheather that point is "C", "B", or in some cases a very talented natural lower "A" player that has been stuck there forever. I wish all of them would try to slow their game down a bit. I'm not saying slow like in I want to hit you in the back of the head with my cue, but slow it down in so you know where the QB is going and what angle (track) you need to be on. Practice slowing your game playing 14.1 or at least racking and breaking 15 balls. Walk around the table, think 3 ahead, and if you don't feel good about the shot when you're pre-stroking, for God sake get up and take another look at it. Never pull the trigger on anything unless you feel confident that you can make the shot. I am not a good teacher because I don't have the patients for it, and I don't like to teach anything. But I can just about guarantee you if you try to practice 14.1 or 15-ball racks at a slower pace and thinking before every shot instead of practicing 8-ball, 9-ball, or 10-ball, you will be surprised how good you really are. You will be running more racks than you ever imagined you could.

When you see how easy it really is to run 15 balls or more, go to the game you like (maybe 9-ball). Play the ghost and be amazed how you kick his ass. BIH to start with…let's not get too carried away. Johnnyt

You bring up some very good points. The term 'Slow down' may be better stated, 'take time to answer these points..'

I've seen lots of players (Heather Lloyd for example) that play relatively fast, but take the time to measure angles, look at their next position etc, but doing it all pretty quickly.

I don't think you're advocating they change their rhythm of play, but to add to it, steps that will give them more information on what will happen next.

Am I reading it right?
 
I watch a lot of players also most of them never improve. They look at me as if I am some sort of a god because I run out 8 ball on a bucket pocket 8 footer. I swear they never look at the 2nd shot let alone the 3rd. I always get a kick out of seeing there face when they finally notice the ~cluster~ that they should of seen before the cue ball stopped rolling on the break.:confused:
 
Something that I've found over the years watching players (I always like to watch players…it' was my part-time job for many years) that have played for a few years, up to many years that can make shots well and play position medium to good, but can't seem to get to that next level. They play too fast. Most take easy shots for granted, the angle for the next shots position for granted, and tend to be lazy pool players.

What I mean by lazy pool players is that they don't think 3 balls a head, don't figure how to get position on breaking out the higher balls that are tied up early in the run (any game). They will very rarely go for the bridge or a cue extension, but stretch and miss-cue, miss the shot, or not get anywhere near the right angle for position for the next ball. On some shots they'll go around the table three to five rails when a stun-shot or reverse the QB off the rail will put them right on the next shot a foot away. They hardly ever walk around the table to see where the OB needs to go after it hits the OB. What path they have to take with the QB after making the OB when the natural path is blocked. They just try to MAYBE get lucky and miss the big ball in their way. (Bad GAMBLE) Pool is a game of fractions of an inch, not "the QB should go about there)

I know and I'm sure others on here know pool players that have been playing many hours a week for ten years or more that never get past a certain point, wheather that point is "C", "B", or in some cases a very talented natural lower "A" player that has been stuck there forever. I wish all of them would try to slow their game down a bit. I'm not saying slow like in I want to hit you in the back of the head with my cue, but slow it down in so you know where the QB is going and what angle (track) you need to be on. Practice slowing your game playing 14.1 or at least racking and breaking 15 balls. Walk around the table, think 3 ahead, and if you don't feel good about the shot when you're pre-stroking, for God sake get up and take another look at it. Never pull the trigger on anything unless you feel confident that you can make the shot. I am not a good teacher because I don't have the patients for it, and I don't like to teach anything. But I can just about guarantee you if you try to practice 14.1 or 15-ball racks at a slower pace and thinking before every shot instead of practicing 8-ball, 9-ball, or 10-ball, you will be surprised how good you really are. You will be running more racks than you ever imagined you could.

When you see how easy it really is to run 15 balls or more, go to the game you like (maybe 9-ball). Play the ghost and be amazed how you kick his ass. BIH to start with…let's not get too carried away. Johnnyt



Johnny, what do they call the best B player you know?

An "A" player. Somehow I think this description fits you!!!!;)
 
i can completely see what Johnnyt is saying here. In the pool room, if you even want to call it that, that I grew up in learning to play snooker there is one guy specifically that has been playing since before I started (8 years ago). In those 8 years I seriously don't think he has ever gotten even a half ball better. I on the other time, have spent the time, effort, etc. to work on getting better.

Whenever I'm staying with my parents I frequent that pool room and play snooker with everyone and they all get flabbergasted when I run a mediocre 30, 40, or 50 points on them because they never see it done. The catch is that they all play a minimum of 4 - 6 days a week for many hours on end. It gets to the point that I go in there and almost don't even want to play because I can't get motivated...
 
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