Jimbo: I'm glad you posted this, it's a truth that seems like common sense to me, but I guess many people don't understand it. it's also the reason that Joe's holier then thou BS doesn't float. "find me a cue maker who hasn't copied", Well, as you so clearly pointed out most have due to this reason. Has Jerry McWorter done some SW style knockoffs? Sure, does he do it now? No, Was Jerry Franklin a HUGE influence on him? Yes, but again his work now stands alone, call him and ask for a copy of someone else's design now see what he says.
So how come when a McFranklin come up for sale you don’t whack him?
First off I'd say the name calling is very 3rd gradish, next I would ask when I ever look on e-bay to whack anyone? The answer is I don't, I don't have the time to be the design theft watch dog, if it's posted here I comment on it. I would also like to ask, since you know so much about me, if Jerry is on my list how many cues of his do I own?
For making the copy like you do everyone else?
Everyone else?? That's not what I do Joe, but I will comment on any cue makers work that is presented or when someone asks for my opinion.
He won’t do a knockoff now? Aren’t those Wayne points in one of “his” creations?
As a matter of fact they are, in more ways then 1, you see you never pay attention and you know to much to ask questions. TW set Jerry up and helped him in his early days of writting the code for his designs, that is a TW point and many of his designs have TW influence, but they are done with consent, and once a person oks it then it's no longer stealing, or barrowing. Much the same way that any cue maker can call Laurie and ask if she minds them making a SW copy.
BTW another opportunity you had to make your point and didn’t..
My point has been made many times over, you're the only one who seems to want to keep making it personal and trying for new angles to try and twist what I've said.
But now you don't think whats good for the goose is good for the gander..
Once more an attempt at you to twist my view, no matter how many times YOU say this it won't ever mean that I believe it.
he probably survived and made the money he needed for his CNC off of these 6 point SW clones, or as they are described as "players cues".
He might have, but that wouldn't make it right, and I never said it was an excuse since I have said 100 times there is no excuse.
Jimbo: What I really don't get is why Joe tries to say that cue isn't a copy when all he has to do is back up his original belief that there is nothing wrong with making a copy in the first place? Why say it's not a copy the rings are different? Why not just say sure it's a copy and making a copy is fine with me?
Because copy to me means duplicate and we aren’t talking duplicates.
We are talking about a wide range of things in a very large area of ideas, you want to nail it down to black and white and I am talking about something vast with many grey areas. It's to bad you aren't bright enough to expand the scope of what we are talking about and add to it, you'd rather make it personal and try to prove me wrong then to add to the conversation, it's really to bad because Mark did teach you a little bit about cues and you might add something of value if you could stop seeing red.
If you want to say he copied a part of a cue, that’s fine. If you want to call them knock off’s because of some degree of design borrowing, thats up to you. But you’re right, I don’t have a problem with it for a plethora of reasons.
Then why not lose your obsession and back up this point of view with some proof. You claim to have a plethora of reasons yet all you do is try to attack me. Why not back up your views Joe, because trying to twist mine isn't working for you. You are so blinded by JimBo hate that you can't focus on and explain to us why you think it's ok to STEAL designs.
BTW nice skipping over calling out one of the knockoff Boti design.. my point exactly.
Which did I skip? I said they were all copies, I didn't need to know which was a Mottey and which was a Schick, and I have no idea who made which, they were all copies and all wrong IMO, so now once more show where I skipped over that? And what point did you make? LOL you are a clown Joe.
Quite frankly I don't care where you draw the line as far as design theft. But when you only apply it to cuemakers you have no relationship with, thats the problem. And as you can see, I am not the only person who see's that.
You are the only one, because this list of guys that I'm friends with or that are on your hero list is imaginary and a joke, post the list since you seem to know it so well. Stop trying to pretend you know so much about me and this list and just post it, who are these guys on the list? The funny part is I've killed paul on thsi and I'll bet you $500 that I've spent more time with PM then many people you'd put on this imaginary list. But as we know there is no list and I am consistant so that's why you can only just ellude to the list that doesn't exsist.
This is you in a previous thread where a Phillipine cuemaker took some TW points, copied them, and someone made reference to McWorter also using them. Not only did you not say anything about the Phillipine cuemaker that so blatanly used the design, but you gave McWorter the pass to..
More made up crap, I have no clue what you are talking about Joe, when you want to be clear I will comment.
How Jimbo attacks his buddies for borrowing designs “I don't know who Al Bautista is but he seems to have (how should I say) barrowed that point design from Jerry McWorter, who happened to have barrowed it from Thomas Wayne.”
Joe
