Does Fortsman Marquis cloth have an "up" side? Been getting some pilling complaints lately.
Thanks for any help!
Rick
Thanks for any help!
Rick
Fortsman cloth question
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Yes, all pool cloth has a "playing surface" finished side, but because it's non-worsted woolen cloth, it's going to shed loose fibers to some extent.santeetech said:
Glen
As Glen said, Marquis being a woven wool blend you will get pilling (on both sides).
You won't notice much difference between the top/bottom sides but there is definitly a top side.
Fold a piece over to compare and you should see a little more sheen and smoothness on the top side.
You won't notice much difference between the top/bottom sides but there is definitly a top side.
Fold a piece over to compare and you should see a little more sheen and smoothness on the top side.
santeetech said:
How long have you been using this cloth? I think the marquis is the new name for 10447, which I have been using for about 17 years. If I'm not using a worsted cloth than this is my first choice. Only complaint is that when its breaking in it has alot of pill. Terry Winkler is the guy in charge at Forstmann, he says the only difference between the top and bottom is the top goes through an extra cleaning process that the bottom doesn't.
Thanks to you guys!
Thanks a lot guys! I have been using it for my entire professional life (4 years) and just started to look for an "up" side. I can see a very slight difference front to back, but doesn't look to be much. I like the "break-in" explanation. We just started stocking Velocity Pro and will now be offering the Fortsman as a cost saver. I think the "break-in pilling" will now be discussed when we write up the job, their choice.
Again, thank you!
Thanks a lot guys! I have been using it for my entire professional life (4 years) and just started to look for an "up" side. I can see a very slight difference front to back, but doesn't look to be much. I like the "break-in" explanation. We just started stocking Velocity Pro and will now be offering the Fortsman as a cost saver. I think the "break-in pilling" will now be discussed when we write up the job, their choice.
Again, thank you!
santeetech said:
Down the road you might try a rip of Mali 865 if your vendor offers it.
Similar to Marquis and Titan but 80% wool as opposed to 75%.
And the Velocity for slightly more $ is a nice step up to worsted.
This is a good selling point for customers that aren't sure what they want.
Rick, here's how you explain it buddy. With pool cloth, the woven wool is made from shorter wool fibers woven with nylon to give them the ability to have longer strands of yarn in which they weave the cloth. Now when using shorter wool fibers, that means there is more ends per inch of yarn sticking out, as in like hair, and the reason there are more ends, is because of the shorter wool fibers, and shorter wool fibers mean some of them pull out as your hands are rubbing across the cloth, thus the pilling of the cloth, the loose ends pulled out. The finished side of the cloth goes through a shaving process in order to insure a flat surface with the wool fibers being consistently the same length, thus the finished side. Stevens 22oz Super Weave cloth was actually 19oz when finished. It was made a faster cloth than the normal 22oz because they actually shaved the loose fibers much closer to the weave of the cloth, therefore removing much more of the loose ends of the wool, cutting it closer to the weave, which also resulted in less pilling.santeetech said:
Worsted wool on the other hand, is made by way of using the longest strands of the wool hair, producing a much tighter weave blended with nylon to give it more elasticity, and produces less loose ends of wool per inch of yarn used to weave the cloth, therefore with longer wool hair used to weave the yarn, you end up with yarn that has almost no loose ends sticking out, therefore a much tighter weave, then as to insure a flat playing surface, the finished side of the worsted wool cloth is also shaved, very close to the actual weave of the cloth...and there you have it...Simonis, as well as other worsted wool cloths, as worsted is the process of making a yarn with LONGER woolen fibers, creating less fuzz...LOL
Glen
PS. Don't let the weight of cloth fool you, cloth that is weighed in at 22oz per running yard is not really a way to compare cloth, because a bolt of cloth that is 78in wide is going to weigh more per yard than a bolt of cloth 63in wide.
I think all cloths should be compared the same way bed sheets are, and that is by the thread count per square inch, and if it's a woven or worsted, as in 200 thread count is not nearly the same as an 800 thread count set of sheets.