Good post.
FYI, more info and resources on this topic can be found here:
Regards,
Dave
Forward Stroke: increasing acceleration
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FYI, more info and resources on this topic can be found here:
Regards,
Dave
I like what Bob had to say about easy power. Look at the almost lazy movement shane makes hitting the break 24 mph. He doesn't have to lunge suddenly into it, though you see that motion in other breakers.
Probably the best policy is to not consciously 'try' or 'strain' when stroking the ball. With good tip placement, whatever arm muscles you have will get the job done.
I think a lot of guys don't trust their own stroke. They're afraid to bridge far away because maybe the tip will steer off course. They're afraid to pull back all the way. They're afraid if they do a slow casual looking stroke like shane's, their bad habits will come out and the stick will twist and the tip will hit the wrong place on the cue ball.
Some guys even seem like they're trying to sneak up on the shot... they pull back, start forward slowly an inch or two, then violently lunge at the cue ball like a hungry trapdoor spider catching an unwary cricket.
Do not consciously try to change the speed of your stroke midstroke, it's classic overthinking and will only cause you grief.
Focus on two things: where you want to the tip to hit, and delivering it there with a casual motion rather than a lunge. Getting the tip to the right spot on the cue ball is an exercise in aiming, just like getting the cue ball to the object ball. If a golfer or basketball player can get speed and accuracy with a casual movement, so can you.
Probably the best policy is to not consciously 'try' or 'strain' when stroking the ball. With good tip placement, whatever arm muscles you have will get the job done.
I think a lot of guys don't trust their own stroke. They're afraid to bridge far away because maybe the tip will steer off course. They're afraid to pull back all the way. They're afraid if they do a slow casual looking stroke like shane's, their bad habits will come out and the stick will twist and the tip will hit the wrong place on the cue ball.
Some guys even seem like they're trying to sneak up on the shot... they pull back, start forward slowly an inch or two, then violently lunge at the cue ball like a hungry trapdoor spider catching an unwary cricket.
Do not consciously try to change the speed of your stroke midstroke, it's classic overthinking and will only cause you grief.
Focus on two things: where you want to the tip to hit, and delivering it there with a casual motion rather than a lunge. Getting the tip to the right spot on the cue ball is an exercise in aiming, just like getting the cue ball to the object ball. If a golfer or basketball player can get speed and accuracy with a casual movement, so can you.
Read Dr Daves articles and you may gain a real understanding of the importance of follow through
Thanks PJ for explaning it exactly to randyg, i add, when we do not follow through our brain has already issued the command to stop forward motion of the cue the moment out tip touches the CB, but due to the mind hand timing our hands is delayed a little so it does not stop right a way it does very short follow through and jerk the stroke, for perfect effective stroke we have to follow through especially on long shots where extra accuracy is needed. Also follow through helps in staying down
Is Dr. Dave the "final" say on this matter? If so, what Instructors did Dr. Dave get his information from?
My post was on the length of follow through not the importance!
randyg
I thought that only stick elevation, contact point and speed counted for anything?
That is true, but the way you stroke, and whether or not you limit your follow through, can have a big effect on all of that stuff. For more info, see:
Regards,
Dave
This is just about speed and contact point accuracy.
pj
chgo
Hey Randy,
I agree and understand your point, but how about enlightening us? :smile:
Best,
Mike
Reasons we follow through:
Perfect stroke
gain speed when needed, and in turn develop desired spin on CB
I find it for none english shot my follow through is about 8- 10 " , if my bridge is short due to balls obstruction on table my follow through is short also
For long draw or follow my follow through is 10-15" i find that you have to drop elbow, some players might be able to do without dropping elbow
For 9 or 8 game break shot my follow through is almost half the cue stick
WOW, great answers....thanks.
Now I ask again: what does the length of your follow through have to do with any of those shots? Do you just feel better or does the cue ball do more with the extended follow through?
randyg
Lmao! Joke of the year, or even quote of the year!
Randy, as we know we all usually can learn something new. But let me be the first person if you get new informations about *follow-through* from Dr.Dave
Hope you re doing great Randy
lg
Ingo
Hi Randy,
I will start with an example, say you have very short bridge say 4" and trying to draw table length CB, would you be able to do it without pulling the cue fast and following through, maybe not, by pulling cue fast you introduce the jerk factor in stroke and might miss the shot, where as if your bridge is long, and you follow through long, your cue pull can be very slow and controlled and will allow you to accelerate freely
At the end, the objective of any stroke is to ensure CB condition desired, is achieved at contact of OB and OB is made, and position play is as expected. Sure there are easy shots you can make and no need to follow through at all, yet others probably can be pot, but position play might be bad, without nice long follow through
Consider acceleration from the CB POV and not the cue stick.
The CB is at rest when the tip of the cue gets to it. The CB must go from zero to some x final speed. In other words, the CB accelates from Zero to x speed.
This can be accomplish with a constant speed of the cue. By using a constant speed of a cue, you control the acceleration of the CB. By using various rates of constant speeds for a cue, you control the accelation of the CB.
The CB is at rest when the tip of the cue gets to it. The CB must go from zero to some x final speed. In other words, the CB accelates from Zero to x speed.
This can be accomplish with a constant speed of the cue. By using a constant speed of a cue, you control the acceleration of the CB. By using various rates of constant speeds for a cue, you control the accelation of the CB.
Similarly for me, I use a mantra, if you will, for my routine: "Loose....down...and through"